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Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743:1845; 2006]

Who will still be standing

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Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Dooble said:
Only when I stoop to your side's levels.
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My side you mean God's side
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Dooble said:
The Bible, in its entirety, is about loving God and keeping His commandments.
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Of with, thou shall nt love another of the same sex is not on the list. He says, in fact, this above ALL else, love one another.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Dooble said:
It's better to just ask God for guidance before you start reading & interpreting His word.
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Born and raised in the Christian faith here. Confirmed in the Methodist Church 3rd generation. The God I knew the Jesus Christ I knew gave up everything in order for people live life. Be they whatever even sinners. They never wanted people to be degenerated and or demonized because of their orientation.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

davidtaylorjr said:
What do you mean how I deal with that? The fact that you ignore Jesus as the Messiah and the New Testament?
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Yup. That means that any argument you make that uses the NT has no affect on me.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

davidtaylorjr said:
Doesn't really matter if you think it is irrelevant...... :roll:
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Of course it does. It means that in debating me on this issue, the NT has no significance.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

davidtaylorjr said:
Just because they think they have proven me wrong, based on twisting scripture, doesn't mean they have. Nice try though.
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People have proven you wrong since it is you that is twisting scripture. Nice try, though.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

davidtaylorjr said:
Only in your opinion.
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Actually, it's about interpretation. Your interpretation is incorrect based on translational and historical context. Now, if you want to hold onto this inaccurate interpretation, feel free, but you might want to ask yourself why you hold onto something that is wrong.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
How does it harm humanity? It doesn't. It furtheres morality.
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No it doesn't. It furthers the morality that YOU believe in. VERY different animal.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

CaptainCourtesy said:
People have proven you wrong since it is you that is twisting scripture. Nice try, though.
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False. You can say that all you want, but it just simply is not true.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

CaptainCourtesy said:
Actually, it's about interpretation. Your interpretation is incorrect based on translational and historical context. Now, if you want to hold onto this inaccurate interpretation, feel free, but you might want to ask yourself why you hold onto something that is wrong.
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Actually, your interpretations are the ones that are based on incorrect translational and historical context. You just decide to twist it and make it look like I am the one off-base presenting ad hom attacks.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Furthers the morality that God believes in and mandates.
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No since you are not following the actual will of God but your own twisted version you are talking only of the morality that you believe in.
 
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Quag said:
No since you are not following the actual will of God but your own twisted version you are talking only of the morality that you believe in.
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Prove it. The Bible begs to differ.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

davidtaylorjr said:
Actually, your interpretations are the ones that are based on incorrect translational and historical context. You just decide to twist it and make it look like I am the one off-base presenting ad hom attacks.
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Just some food for thought:

For many Christians today, particularly young adults, the handful of Bible verses related to same sex intimacy seem more like the 100 plus verses on slavery than they do the teachings of Jesus and his great commandments to love God and neighbor. Their gay and lesbian friends are people, just like them, in need of love and community. I believe that in the years ahead an increasing number of Christians, not only progressives, but also conservatives, will read the Bible’s passages regarding homosexuality as all Christians today read the Bible’s passages on slavery. And the sermons preached from America’s pulpits decrying the rights of homosexuals today will sound to future generations much like the pro-slavery sermons sound to us today.

On homosexuality, many Christians get the Bible wrong - Guest Voices - The Washington Post

The longest biblical passage on male-male sex is Romans 1:26-27: "Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another."

The Greek term para physin has been translated unnatural; it should read atypical or unusual. In the technical sense, yes, the Stoic philosophers did use para physin to mean unnatural, but this term also had a widespread popular meaning. It is this latter meaning that informs Paul's writing. It carries no ethical condemnation.

Compare the passage on male-male sex to Romans 11:24. There, Paul applies the term para physin to God. God grafted the Gentiles into the Jewish people, a wild branch into a cultivated vine. Not your standard practice! An unusual thing to do — atypical, nothing more. The anti-gay "unnatural" hullabaloo rests on a mistranslation.

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Were God-given reason to prevail, rather than knee-jerk religion, we would not be having a heated debate over gay marriage. “Liberty and justice for all,” marvel at the diversity of creation, welcome for one another: these, alas, are true biblical values.

My Take: What the Bible really says about homosexuality – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Boo Radley said:
Just some food for thought:

For many Christians today, particularly young adults, the handful of Bible verses related to same sex intimacy seem more like the 100 plus verses on slavery than they do the teachings of Jesus and his great commandments to love God and neighbor. Their gay and lesbian friends are people, just like them, in need of love and community. I believe that in the years ahead an increasing number of Christians, not only progressives, but also conservatives, will read the Bible’s passages regarding homosexuality as all Christians today read the Bible’s passages on slavery. And the sermons preached from America’s pulpits decrying the rights of homosexuals today will sound to future generations much like the pro-slavery sermons sound to us today.

On homosexuality, many Christians get the Bible wrong - Guest Voices - The Washington Post

The longest biblical passage on male-male sex is Romans 1:26-27: "Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another."

The Greek term para physin has been translated unnatural; it should read atypical or unusual. In the technical sense, yes, the Stoic philosophers did use para physin to mean unnatural, but this term also had a widespread popular meaning. It is this latter meaning that informs Paul's writing. It carries no ethical condemnation.

Compare the passage on male-male sex to Romans 11:24. There, Paul applies the term para physin to God. God grafted the Gentiles into the Jewish people, a wild branch into a cultivated vine. Not your standard practice! An unusual thing to do — atypical, nothing more. The anti-gay "unnatural" hullabaloo rests on a mistranslation.

(Snip)


Were God-given reason to prevail, rather than knee-jerk religion, we would not be having a heated debate over gay marriage. “Liberty and justice for all,” marvel at the diversity of creation, welcome for one another: these, alas, are true biblical values.

My Take: What the Bible really says about homosexuality – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs
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You're free to believe what you want. History shows that the Church and its teachings will be around and thriving long after this current obsession with homosexuality has passed into oblivion.
 
Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

Boo Radley said:
Just some food for thought:

For many Christians today, particularly young adults, the handful of Bible verses related to same sex intimacy seem more like the 100 plus verses on slavery than they do the teachings of Jesus and his great commandments to love God and neighbor. Their gay and lesbian friends are people, just like them, in need of love and community. I believe that in the years ahead an increasing number of Christians, not only progressives, but also conservatives, will read the Bible’s passages regarding homosexuality as all Christians today read the Bible’s passages on slavery. And the sermons preached from America’s pulpits decrying the rights of homosexuals today will sound to future generations much like the pro-slavery sermons sound to us today.

On homosexuality, many Christians get the Bible wrong - Guest Voices - The Washington Post

The longest biblical passage on male-male sex is Romans 1:26-27: "Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another."

The Greek term para physin has been translated unnatural; it should read atypical or unusual. In the technical sense, yes, the Stoic philosophers did use para physin to mean unnatural, but this term also had a widespread popular meaning. It is this latter meaning that informs Paul's writing. It carries no ethical condemnation.

Compare the passage on male-male sex to Romans 11:24. There, Paul applies the term para physin to God. God grafted the Gentiles into the Jewish people, a wild branch into a cultivated vine. Not your standard practice! An unusual thing to do — atypical, nothing more. The anti-gay "unnatural" hullabaloo rests on a mistranslation.

(Snip)


Were God-given reason to prevail, rather than knee-jerk religion, we would not be having a heated debate over gay marriage. “Liberty and justice for all,” marvel at the diversity of creation, welcome for one another: these, alas, are true biblical values.

My Take: What the Bible really says about homosexuality – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs
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Comparing slavery and homosexuality is comparing apples and oranges. Besides, you do realize slavery in the Bible is not the same as what you think of when you think of slavery. Assuming you think of the slavery of the civil war.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Comparing slavery and homosexuality is comparing apples and oranges. Besides, you do realize slavery in the Bible is not the same as what you think of when you think of slavery. Assuming you think of the slavery of the civil war.
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Comparing homosexuality to sin is like comparing slavery to virtue.
 
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