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Thread: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743:1845; 2006]

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    So why not do what most Catholics do? Commit sins, go to confession, ask for forgiveness, do ten hail maries and one our father, and then go out and do it again, and come back to confession and confess it again, and then be forgiven again ... so, if a guy has sex with another guy, just go to the priest and confess it and be forgiven and then go get laid again and .... you get the picture, no?
    No. While I appreciate that it looks that trivial to an outsider and perhaps to far too many Christians, that is not that way the confession/forgiveness process works.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Let's talk about that for a minute. How does your repentance process work? Break it down for me.

    I don't buy your claim that you repent every day.
    God forgives the confessed sin of the sinner with the repentant heart. There must be sincere conviction on the part of the sinner and a desire to change his/her ways. Yes, God will forgive the same sin many times ("....not seven times, but seventy times seven...")... but the core of forgiveness is the heart of repentance AND forgiving those that sin against you with the same heart that God forgives us.

    It's not about going to confession and saying a prayer; its about saying a prayer of confession with a heart of regret and sorrow.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Never, those gaps will never be filled.
    So far, that's not the case. Which gaps, specifically, do you think will never be filled?

    I could say the same to you. I can post that you are barking up the wrong tree with mixing science and theology.
    And you can respond to me any time you want, I don't have to invite you to do so. Freedom is a wonderful thing, isn't it? I'm not mixing science and theology, I'm pointing out that one has reality and the other has nothing but fantasy.

    All you are doing is pointing out how little you understand about my beliefs.
    I don't care about your beliefs and never specifically mentioned your beliefs, have I? I've said I'm pointing out the absurdity of religion, not your religion. Of course, I'm willing to bet that your religion is just as absurd, but that's neither here nor there, it isn't part of any claim I've made.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    You could say that for every English word, doesn't mean the meaning of homosexuality was not present.
    The concept of homosexual orientation wasn't described in the bible. Other concepts were.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Where did you show that? I must have missed it, but it very much does apply.
    Genesis describes procreation and where God commands man to be "fruitful and multiply". This discusses penis-vaginal sexual behavior. Notice the word I placed in bold. God does not command man to BE heterosexual.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    It is against the nature of humanity. Sorry, try again.
    Actually it's not. Sorry, try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Successful cultures doesn't equal right and moral.
    Right and moral are relative so your point is irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Wrong. It's a commandment from God. Heterosexuals are the only ones who can be fruitful and multiply, so clearly he is referring to them. Now grab a Bible and point out where God has the same kind of edict for homosexuals.
    Wrong. Homosexuals can also procreate. Basic biology... if the equipment works, procreation can happen. God makes no distinction with one's orientation. Now, go grab a bible and point out where God has said ANYTHING about sexual orientation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    1.)I've been a Mormon all my life (fifty years, so far), as were all my parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents. My great-great grandfather, Edwin Rushton was a friend and acquaintance of Joseph Smith.
    2.) I think I can claim some credible expertise with regard to what it is that I have been taught, what I have practiced, and what I have believed, as a Mormon.
    3.) You, on the other hand are very obviously completely ignorant on the subject; and yet, it is certainly completely consistent with your general practices on this forum to claim greater expertise on a subject about which you clearly know nothing at all, that someone who has been living that subject for longer than you've likely been alive.
    1.) cool story, whoopty doo whats this mean? oh thats right nothign
    2.) ooooh, ok well theres the problem right there, you are thinking, that usually turns out bad for you
    3.) wrong again im just going buy what people actually say

    as usually you are 100% factaully wrong and you being dishonest still wont change the facts. Please post again becase it will effect nothing. Like i said your OPINION is meaningless to the facts.

    sorry but the fact remains there are still Mormons that do not allow blacks to lay in priesthood and they can not participate in most temple ordinances, including the endowment and celestial marriage. they believe to still be the mark of cain and to be a curse. Its racist and they still exist, whether you agree with these Mormons or not is meaningless to their beliefs. You lose to facts again.

    but to further my entertainment PLEASE PLEASE tell me why you think they dont exist, i cant wait to read this.
    You lose to facts again
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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So far, that's not the case. Which gaps, specifically, do you think will never be filled?
    So far it is 100% the case. Science hasn't filled a single "gap".


    And you can respond to me any time you want, I don't have to invite you to do so. Freedom is a wonderful thing, isn't it? I'm not mixing science and theology, I'm pointing out that one has reality and the other has nothing but fantasy.
    Spirituality my be fantasy to you, that further proves that science has no place in it.


    I don't care about your beliefs and never specifically mentioned your beliefs, have I? I've said I'm pointing out the absurdity of religion, not your religion. Of course, I'm willing to bet that your religion is just as absurd, but that's neither here nor there, it isn't part of any claim I've made.
    My beliefs don't have to be rational to you, i am not forcing you to have them or even respect them. I don't know what you are attempting to accomplish by stating that something you clearly don't understand is absurd.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Then what are you ranting and raving about gay people for? Of they pay for their sin with death just like you will, what is with you're insisting that they aren't Christian?
    I won't receive death because I now follow Christ. Big difference.
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