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Thread: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743:1845; 2006]

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Wrong. It's a commandment from God. Heterosexuals are the only ones who can be fruitful and multiply, so clearly he is referring to them. Now grab a Bible and point out where God has the same kind of edict for homosexuals.
    He also didn't say to be celibate and not multiply yet not only are there millions of celibate Christians that don't multiply, Jesus himself broke that himself. He wasn't fruitful, he didn't multiply.

    That is a weak argument. Because God ordered the only two people on the planet to start a species that that is some form of example we must live by. That is crack pot theology.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Except that isn't what I am doing.
    But you are speaking for God when you don't know what he would say.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harekin View Post
    But you are speaking for God when you don't know what he would say.
    He basically fabricated a sin and inserted out into the Bible.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harekin View Post
    But you are speaking for God when you don't know what he would say.
    You said your boyfriend is Christian right? I take it based on your signature details that you are male. So I assume you are gay correct me if I am wrong please.

    Are you Christian, thinking about it, or supportive of your boyfriend's beliefs?

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    You said your boyfriend is Christian right? I take it based on your signature details that you are male. So I assume you are gay correct me if I am wrong please.

    Are you Christian, thinking about it, or supportive of your boyfriend's beliefs?
    Yes, I am gay. I am Nazarene and my boyfriend is Catholic. I support his beliefs as well though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harekin View Post
    Yes, I am gay. I am Nazarene and my boyfriend is Catholic. I support his beliefs as well though.
    That's nice, I am gay and my boyfriend was brought up in the Mormon church. I was raised Catholic. We are episcopal now.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

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    sorry but the fact remains there are still Mormons that do not allow blacks to lay in priesthood and can not participate in most temple ordinances, including the endowment and celestial marriage. they believe to still be the mark of cain and to be a curse. Its racist and they still exist, whether you agree with these Mormons or not is meaningless to their beliefs. You lose to facts again.
    That is absolutely false.
    nope its 100% fact and your trying to dishonestly deny it wont change this fact
    facts defeat you again
    I've been a Mormon all my life (fifty years, so far), as were all my parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents. My great-great grandfather, Edwin Rushton was a friend and acquaintance of Joseph Smith.

    I think I can claim some credible expertise with regard to what it is that I have been taught, what I have practiced, and what I have believed, as a Mormon.

    You, on the other hand are very obviously completely ignorant on the subject; and yet, it is certainly completely consistent with your general practices on this forum to claim greater expertise on a subject about which you clearly know nothing at all, that someone who has been living that subject for longer than you've likely been alive.
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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I've been a Mormon all my life (fifty years, so far), as were all my parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents. My great-great grandfather, Edwin Rushton was a friend and acquaintance of Joseph Smith.

    I think I can claim some credible expertise with regard to what it is that I have been taught, what I have practiced, and what I have believed, as a Mormon.

    You, on the other hand are very obviously completely ignorant on the subject; and yet, it is certainly completely consistent with your general practices on this forum to claim greater expertise on a subject about which you clearly know nothing at all, that someone who has been living that subject for longer than you've likely been alive.
    Is it a fact at one point in time Mormons viewed black people as a subspecies ala doctrine or not?

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Is it a fact at one point in time Mormons viewed black people as a subspecies ala doctrine or not?
    Not really.

    It is true that starting at some time that cannot clearly be nailed down, and ending with a revelation given to the Prophet Spencer Kimball in 1978, Negroes were not allowed to hold the Priesthood or to participate in the Temple ceremonies.

    As I said, it's difficult to nail down when this prohibition began, or why. Joseph Smith held some views on race that, in his day, were considered rather extreme and unusual. He considered Negros to be fundamentally equal to other races, and wrote that he believed that the only thing preventing them from achieving everything that Caucasians achieved was they way that they were being treated. It would be more than a century before such an opinion would come to be widely-accepted among Americans in general.

    Brigham Young, of course, held views on the subject that were very much in line with what most Americans thought. There aren't any records that clearly indicate when the Priesthood was withdrawn from Negros, but it was during Young's time. There are some passages in scripture which can be easily taken to suggest that Negros are descendants of Noah's grandson, Caanan, whom Noah cursed because of Ham's offense against Noah; and that part of that curse was that all of Caanan's posterity were to be denied the Priesthood. It's also possible that those bits of scripture didn't mean that at all.

    There never was any solidly-established doctrine that clearly said anything at all about the Negroid race; only what I would say were attempts to fit some existing scripture to the prevailing racial prejudices of the day.

    It is notable that even during the time in which the Priesthood was withheld from Negros, we were one few very, very few “white” churches that would accept them as members at all.

    Whether it was really God's will that this should happen, or merely an unavoidable artifact of the racism that was predominant in that time*, once that policy was put into place, it wasn't going to be reversed without God revealing through his prophet that it should be so. That revelation occurred in 1978, and is canonized in our scriptures as Offficial Declaration 2 in the Doctrine and Covenants.


    * My own personal opinion and speculation† is this: It wasn't necessarily God's will that Negros should have been excluded from the Priesthood, nor made to take a lesser place in the church; but the racism that was in place at the time was such that too large a portion of the white population simply would not have accepted a church that treated Negros as equal. God could have told Brigham Young right away that such a policy was incorrect, and that the Church should treat blacks as equal to whites; and given such a revelation, church policy would have been enacted accordingly. But this would have alienated more potential white members, than it would have gained us black members, at a time, when the Church really needed to be growing in numbers just to be able to sustain itself; and would have resulted in excessive discord within the Church as a result of white members who simply could not accept blacks as their equals. The secular culture within and without the Church had some much-needed growing up to do before it was ready to accept such racial equality.

    † Just to be clear, this is my own speculation and belief; it does not necessarily represent any position taken by the Church itself; and it is subject to change depending on any further information or guidance I may receive in the future.
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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Thank you for your comment Bob i do see the racism and superiority in comment though.

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