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Thread: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743:1845; 2006]

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I think it's more a case of you not knowing what it is you're trying to argue. You feel anger, but you don't know how to articulate that anger, much less form a compelling counter argument. Your best bet at this point is to study Christianity, first. If you don't want to do that, then let me suggest that you stay away from religious topics, altogether.
    Once again, the things you are saying have zero to do with whether or not the person in your pic was making demands of the Churches.
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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Once again, the things you are saying have zero to do with whether or not the person in your pic was making demands of the Churches.
    It's all there, whether you want it to be or not. Don't hurt yourself on this one, Dezaad.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    But where is the change on homosexuality? Where in the Bible does it EVER state that God commands homosexuals to be homosexual?
    150 years ago where was the change on slavery?
    FYI many people nowadays do not consider homosexuality a sin, so it is changing. We are in fact in the middle of that change. You may not be able to see it but it is happening
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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I think the most likely to alter its position (other than Methodist) is the LDS Church. People who think it is made up of unbending fundamentalists do not have a solid appreciation for how malleable and savvy the Church is. The ease at which they accepted the Boy Scouts of American sexual orientation change, the way in which they have steadily de-emphasized the fight against gay marriage, all serve as evidence that a chance in outlook is already underway.
    The importance of family and marriage is fundamental to Mormonism. As asserted in the statement The Family: A Proclamation to the World, that was put forth in 1995…

    THE FIRST COMMANDMENT that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.

    WE DECLARE the means by which mortal life is created to be divinely appointed. We affirm the sanctity of life and of its importance in God’s eternal plan.
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    THE FAMILY is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. …
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    WE WARN that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.

    WE CALL UPON responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society.

    This statement is an expression of eternal principles that have always been true, and I see little possibility that they will ever, at any time in the future, be any less true. Sexual intimacy is only appropriate between a man and a woman who are married to each other. Sexual intimacy in that setting is very sacred to us; outside of that context, it is a serious sin. There is no more place for homosexuality in this principle than there is for adultery, or any other sexual immorality.

    The Church may or may not change its policies regarding how it attempts to influence the secular community on these matters; but I do not see how it can ever be possible—without overturning some of our most basic and apparently-unalterable doctrines—that the Church will ever accept homosexuality as proper or acceptable, or that it will ever be possible to be both a practicing homosexual and a member in good standing of this Church.
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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I wasn't calling that bigotry. This is what I correctly was calling out as bigotry:
    It's not bigotry. Nobody has any responsibility to respect your beliefs just because you want them to. If you don't want to be ridiculed for your beliefs, stop believing ridiculous things. I'm sorry, but "waah, you make me feel bad" is not evidence for bigotry.

    Aside from simply being factually wrong, it is an expression of outright bigotry, worse than any of which you have falsely accused others.
    Please demonstrate that any of it is factually wrong. Just because you want to believe that it is doesn't mean that it is.

    I think it is safe to say that the average person of faith is far less ignorant than yourself; and far more mature, emotionally or otherwise. It is certainly clear that by making such a statement, you expose a rather significant degree of your own ignorance and immaturity
    Sorry, the evidence demonstrates that religiousity and intelligence are inversely correlated. The more religious a person is, the less intelligent and the less educated they tend to be. This has been demonstrated in dozens of studies performed over the past century. Religion, whether you like it or not, is an entirely emotional position, it is not one based on logic, reason or evidence. You can easily prove me wrong, of course, just produce objective evidence for the existence of your God.

    You let us know when you're ready to do that. Until then, what I said was accurate.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Obviously you missed this part: ...that they restore to their earlier liberty all and each person of either sex who were once residents of said Canary Islands, and made captives since the time of their capture, and who have been made subject to slavery.

    ...no exceptions.

    If the the church really felt that slavery was wrong, they wouldn't have felt the need to qualify that the punishment of excommunication only applied to people making slaves of potential Christian converts. The document itself was moot as the church never actually enforced its threat and slavery went on unabated.
    You are free to interpret the original Latin any way you choose. There is some doubt as to what exactly Pope Nicholas meant by "perpetual servitude". Here is a blog that discusses a translation of the bull. A quote from the blog: Much has been made of this phrase "perpetual servitude", though since the Bull comes in the late medieval period and not in the early modern period, I am not sure the phrase "perpetual servitude" should be interpreted in the same light it would be if the Bull was written in, say, 1650. I think we need to see it in a more "feudal" sense than a colonial one. At any rate, it needs more study.
    This is the cognitive dissonance I am talking about. The meaning of the term perpetual servitude is quite clear to anyone not desperately trying to rationalize it away. This particular edict was put into practice, and it involved Muslims being treated as slaves in every sense of the word, including being bought and sold. Innocent VIII was even given 100 Moorish slaves gifted by Ferdinand.
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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Which word of God do you study?

    You, see above.

    "Sin" is equivalent to any behavior that you and I can agree is wrong, and more importantly, it is equivalent to any behavior that is wrong in the sight of God.
    You're actively avoiding my point. How do you know that god believes what you says he believes, and that you haven't merely chosen the beliefs that mirror your own. There are, after all, numerous religions and countless interpretations within each of those religions.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    i wish you were right, but as long as there are hucksters in this world, and ignorant and scared people to target, religion will be with us ...
    Yet religion is declining at an accelerating rate. The Catholics are suffering tremendous losses in most of the first world and those that remain are largely ignoring the Vatican, the Southern Baptists lost over 100,000 members in just 2012 alone.

    There may continue to be the blatantly ignorant and those who take advantage of them, but the big organized religions seem to be going the way of the dinosaur.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yet religion is declining at an accelerating rate. The Catholics are suffering tremendous losses in most of the first world and those that remain are largely ignoring the Vatican, the Southern Baptists lost over 100,000 members in just 2012 alone.

    There may continue to be the blatantly ignorant and those who take advantage of them, but the big organized religions seem to be going the way of the dinosaur.
    hope you're right ...

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Sorry, the evidence demonstrates that religiousity [sic] and intelligence are inversely correlated. The more religious a person is, the less intelligent and the less educated they tend to be.
    As a single datum, you certainly seem to disprove this claim. But then you're only one datum.
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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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