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Thread: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743:1845; 2006]

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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I have, they don't listen. The cleansing laws, such as sacrifice, what animals you can eat, and such, were repealed as they were fulfilled by Christ and confirmed by Peter after his encounter. The moral laws, such as murder is wrong, homosexuality is wrong, adultery, lying, lust, etc are wrong, were upheld as confirmed by Paul.
    Where does it say this?

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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Lets jump in, shall we?

    First off, point out in the Bible where God commands two men (or two women) to unite in marriage.
    First off prove the bible is the word of God. Since you cannot you have failed before you even begin.
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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    What's the homophobe agenda?
    The drivel Dooble is promoting
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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Please, show your Biblical Rebuttals. I'm intrigued.
    There are books on this and I can't link them. Religious Tolerance.org does the best job online of spelling it out. But I'll give you a an overview.

    In Sodom and Gomorrah the sin is not homosexuality, but inhospitality. In Leviticus we find another misreading:

    The word “abomination” is found, of course, in the King James translation of Leviticus 18:22, a translation which reads, “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.” Yet this is a thoroughly misleading rendition of the word toevah, which, while we may not know exactly what it means, definitely does not mean “abomination.” An “abomination” conjures up images of things which should not exist on the face of the earth: three-legged babies, oceans choked with oil, or Cheez-Whiz. And indeed, this is how many religious people regard gays and lesbians. It’s Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural, a perversion, a disease, an abomination.

    Yet a close reading of the term toevah suggests an entirely different meaning: something permitted to one group, and forbidden to another. Though there is (probably) no etymological relationship, toevah means taboo.

    The term toevah (and its plural, toevot) occurs 103 times in the Hebrew Bible, and almost always has the connotation of a non-Israelite cultic practice. In the Torah, the primary toevah is avodah zara, foreign forms of worship, and most other toevot flow from it. The Israelites are instructed not to commit toevah because other nations do so. Deuteronomy 18:9-12 makes this quite clear:

    When you come into the land that YHVH your God gives you, do not learn to do the toevot of those nations. Do not find among you one who passes his son or daughter through the fire; or a magician; or a fortune teller, charmer, or witch… because all who do these things are toevah to YHVH and because of these toevot YHVH your God is driving them out before you.

    Does the Bible Really Call Homosexuality an ?Abomination?? | Sexuality/Gender | Religion Dispatches

    And in Romans, the language is heavily influenced by the time in which King James wrote the Bible. Books explain this better, so a visit to your library is likely in order. But the paraphrase is that King James, living in the time of a belief in natural order, added this idea to the Bible.

    I can't really duplicate years of study for you here, but I think before you throw stones, some investigation on your part might be helpful. And seek those who disagree with your position if for no other reason than to know the rebuttal.

    But I'll give you some reading all the same:

    Church Tradition Only Condemn Homosexuality Not The Bible

    Church Tradition Only Condemn Homosexuality Not The Bible

    New Book: Homosexuality, The Bible, The Truth

    New Book: Homosexuality, The Bible, The Truth | Truth Wins Out

    What the Bible Really Says about Homosexuality

    Daniel Helminiak's Web site

    All about religious tolerance: the ReligiousTolerance.org web site

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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    First off prove the bible is the word of God.
    Answer the question.

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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There are books on this and I can't link them. Religious Tolerance.org does the best job online of spelling it out. But I'll give you a an overview.

    In Sodom and Gomorrah the sin is not homosexuality, but inhospitality. In Leviticus we find another misreading:

    The word “abomination” is found, of course, in the King James translation of Leviticus 18:22, a translation which reads, “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.” Yet this is a thoroughly misleading rendition of the word toevah, which, while we may not know exactly what it means, definitely does not mean “abomination.” An “abomination” conjures up images of things which should not exist on the face of the earth: three-legged babies, oceans choked with oil, or Cheez-Whiz. And indeed, this is how many religious people regard gays and lesbians. It’s Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural, a perversion, a disease, an abomination.

    Yet a close reading of the term toevah suggests an entirely different meaning: something permitted to one group, and forbidden to another. Though there is (probably) no etymological relationship, toevah means taboo.

    The term toevah (and its plural, toevot) occurs 103 times in the Hebrew Bible, and almost always has the connotation of a non-Israelite cultic practice. In the Torah, the primary toevah is avodah zara, foreign forms of worship, and most other toevot flow from it. The Israelites are instructed not to commit toevah because other nations do so. Deuteronomy 18:9-12 makes this quite clear:

    When you come into the land that YHVH your God gives you, do not learn to do the toevot of those nations. Do not find among you one who passes his son or daughter through the fire; or a magician; or a fortune teller, charmer, or witch… because all who do these things are toevah to YHVH and because of these toevot YHVH your God is driving them out before you.

    Does the Bible Really Call Homosexuality an ?Abomination?? | Sexuality/Gender | Religion Dispatches

    And in Romans, the language is heavily influenced by the time in which King James wrote the Bible. Books explain this better, so a visit to your library is likely in order. But the paraphrase is that King James, living in the time of a belief in natural order, added this idea to the Bible.

    I can't really duplicate years of study for you here, but I think before you throw stones, some investigation on your part might be helpful. And seek those who disagree with your position if for no other reason than to know the rebuttal.

    But I'll give you some reading all the same:

    Church Tradition Only Condemn Homosexuality Not The Bible

    Church Tradition Only Condemn Homosexuality Not The Bible

    New Book: Homosexuality, The Bible, The Truth

    New Book: Homosexuality, The Bible, The Truth | Truth Wins Out

    What the Bible Really Says about Homosexuality

    Daniel Helminiak's Web site

    All about religious tolerance: the ReligiousTolerance.org web site
    Jude 1:7 debunks your theory of Sodom and Gommorah:
    In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    To a certain point.
    Tolerance ties in with Charity, which is the most important thing we can have. The real challenge tends to be not to confuse that with enabling wrong behaviors.

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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Tolerance ties in with Charity, which is the most important thing we can have. The real challenge tends to be not to confuse that with enabling wrong behaviors.
    That is true. People think that just because I take a stand against homosexuality, means I hate people who practice that. It's not the same.
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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Jude 1:7 debunks your theory of Sodom and Gommorah:
    Nope:

    Commentary - Other translations include "giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh" (KJV), "gave themselves over to fornication and followed after other carnal lusts" (Lamsa from the Aramaic), "became immoral and did all sorts of sexual sins" (CEV), "the fornication of Sodom and Gomorrah" (JB), "acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust" (RSV), "were full of sexual sin and people who desired sexual relations that God does not allow" (NCV), "gave themselves us to sexual immorality and perversion" (NIV), "given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh" (NKJV), "all full of lust of every kind including lust of men for other men" (LB), "indulged in sexual immorality and perversion" (TEV). and "immorality and every kind of sexual perversion" (NLT).

    Except for a few who continue to insist that the sin of Sodom was male-male sex, Scripture scholars today simply do not see homogenitality in this text. Nonetheless, like any vague text in the Bible, people can take it to mean what they want, and some modern translations encourage misinterpretation, especially the Living Bible.

    Jude faults the people of Sodom for lusting after "strange" or "alien" flesh. That is clearly what the Greek says "sarkos heteras." The King James Version is, surprisingly, the most accurate rendering of this text. The "alien flesh" it is referring to clearly means having sexual intercourse with angels, the true context of the Sodom story in Genesis 19. This text simply cannot be used in any argument against homosexuality.

    I'm Christian. I'm Gay. Let's Talk.: Jude 1:7 & 2 Peter 2:10 - Sodom, Part 2

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    Re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nope:

    Commentary - Other translations include "giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh" (KJV), "gave themselves over to fornication and followed after other carnal lusts" (Lamsa from the Aramaic), "became immoral and did all sorts of sexual sins" (CEV), "the fornication of Sodom and Gomorrah" (JB), "acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust" (RSV), "were full of sexual sin and people who desired sexual relations that God does not allow" (NCV), "gave themselves us to sexual immorality and perversion" (NIV), "given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh" (NKJV), "all full of lust of every kind including lust of men for other men" (LB), "indulged in sexual immorality and perversion" (TEV). and "immorality and every kind of sexual perversion" (NLT).

    Except for a few who continue to insist that the sin of Sodom was male-male sex, Scripture scholars today simply do not see homogenitality in this text. Nonetheless, like any vague text in the Bible, people can take it to mean what they want, and some modern translations encourage misinterpretation, especially the Living Bible.

    Jude faults the people of Sodom for lusting after "strange" or "alien" flesh. That is clearly what the Greek says "sarkos heteras." The King James Version is, surprisingly, the most accurate rendering of this text. The "alien flesh" it is referring to clearly means having sexual intercourse with angels, the true context of the Sodom story in Genesis 19. This text simply cannot be used in any argument against homosexuality.

    I'm Christian. I'm Gay. Let's Talk.: Jude 1:7 & 2 Peter 2:10 - Sodom, Part 2
    Twist it how you want, but you are not correct. You first said it was inhospitality, now you are saying it was sex with angels, male angels, which is it?

    You can try to twist Scripture to justify homosexuality but you fail every time.
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