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Thread: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743:1845; 2006]

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    "Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda?"

    The Cult of State.

    No other religion can convert prejudices of its high priests into laws of the land, in the modern times. If your focus is on "standing ground against the gay agenda", go Communist or Nazi - they have the "best" record, when it comes to gays.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    I think the most likely to alter its position (other than Methodist) is the LDS Church. People who think it is made up of unbending fundamentalists do not have a solid appreciation for how malleable and savvy the Church is. The ease at which they accepted the Boy Scouts of American sexual orientation change, the way in which they have steadily de-emphasized the fight against gay marriage, all serve as evidence that a chance in outlook is already underway.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    "Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda?"

    The Cult of State.

    No other religion can convert prejudices of its high priests into laws of the land, in the modern times. If your focus is on "standing ground against the gay agenda", go Communist or Nazi - they have the "best" record, when it comes to gays.
    I believe we can stand our ground without murdering homosexuals.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda?

    Stand WHAT ground? In my opinion, they have no ground to stand on, to begin with.

    If they want to stand on the church ground, have at it. Just keep that pulpit morality away from me. I don't need a church to tell me the difference between right and wrong.

    Certainly no MORAL highground. I think, generally speaking, religious oppression is immoral. American does not want or need a christian Taliban.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I guess that made the Mormons and Southern Baptists leftists then.
    I said primarily on the Left, and I see little to zero evidence of racism in those religions today. It's much more on the Left.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    That doesn't change the fact that Polygamy is explicitly condoned in the bible and modern prohibition against it is based on social attitudes not scripture.
    It's based mostly on man's inability to deal with this particular edict from the divine.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The Catholic Church once supported slavery
    Nearly 60 years before the Europeans were to find the New World, we already had the papal condemnation of slavery as soon as this crime was discovered in one of the first of the Portuguese geographical discoveries

    Fr. Joel S. Panzer

    A quote from the papal bull in question (written in 1435): These people are to be totally and perpetually free and are to be let go without the exaction or reception of any money.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    You are calling this a demand?
    Take a look at the sign this politically charged Christian is pumping into the air. Read the words then tell me that's nothing less than a demand. Actually it's more like a threat, which is worse. Thank you for helping me make that clarification, Dezaad.
    Last edited by Dooble; 07-22-13 at 01:11 PM.

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Stand WHAT ground?
    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    If they want to stand on the church ground, have at it.
    Well look at that, you answered your own question. Well done, Cap!

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I believe we can stand our ground without murdering homosexuals.
    What "ground" is that exactly? I don't understand - honestly - what are you fighting for?

    I am a heterosexual. I was a Catholic in my youth. If I were homosexual, I would have to stay celibate - or leave the Church. Simple enough, if not perfectly pleasant for everyone.

    But we are not talking about churches or any other voluntary organizations. We are talking about the role of government. Our government has the obligation to treat American citizens equally, unless and until they do harm to others.

    What possible justification can there be, within our declared system of shared values, for a homosexual being denied the "bride visa" for his foreign partner, for example?

    I am not suggesting that everyone who is against gay marriage is ready to endorse the Soviet/Nazi "ultimate solutions". 99 % are not ready or ever will be ready, thank god. (That remaining 1% is "full of passionate intensity" though...Potent stuff - watch out). But in the end, it is all very simple: You have your ideas of what is right, good, proper, etc. I have mine. You have every right to try and convince me, seduce me, bribe me, etc into changing my mind. You don't have the right to force me, to coerce me, to affirm your ideas of what's "correct" or "proper" by unleashing the hellhounds of the State on me.

    When a gay or a lesbian applies for the bride visa, to bring his or her loved one to the Fruited Plain - and gets a guard-dog growl in response - while you and I would get smiles and rubber stamps, no problem - you seriously don't think - as an American citizen, whatever is your religion - that something is wrong with the picture?

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    re: Which religion will stand its ground against the gay agenda? [W:743]

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Slavery wasn't a sin and now it is. wonder how that happened?
    Who cares? Homosexuality always has, and always will be, a sin.

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