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Thread: License Plate Readers?

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    Re: License Plate Readers?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I say no.The government has no business spying or tracking us.
    Based on what? Is there a law? If not why not? Just want some clarification.

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    Re: License Plate Readers?

    I see no harm in it as long as the data is data is cleared after it is checked.

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    Re: License Plate Readers?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    I see no harm in it as long as the data is data is cleared after it is checked.
    I do not see that ever happening.
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    Re: License Plate Readers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    ...Personally, I think the technology is useful and I don't mind its use with some conditions...Police also justify the indefinite keeping of these records by saying they could potentially help stop future crimes. I don't really buy that as justification, as I think the chances of that are very small. I would advocate a short retention time or possibly even the immediate disregard of license plates not linked to a "hot list." Other than that, I believe they can be a useful tool in the recovery of stolen vehicles and the rescue of kidnapped children.What say you?
    I say this system can easily be modified so that a license plate number is entered and no information pops up unless it is listed as a "suspect vehicle." That means either a stolen vehicle or that it is owned by someone who is wanted. If neither of those is the case, the screen should simply say "No wants or warrants" and the officer(s) should leave the vehicle alone.

    There is no valid reason to maintain driver's information in any such system absent probable cause a crime has been committed.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: License Plate Readers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I say this system can easily be modified so that a license plate number is entered and no information pops up unless it is listed as a "suspect vehicle." That means either a stolen vehicle or that it is owned by someone who is wanted. If neither of those is the case, the screen should simply say "No wants or warrants" and the officer(s) should leave the vehicle alone.

    There is no valid reason to maintain driver's information in any such system absent probable cause a crime has been committed.
    You've never used a database...I've used similar programs (in the private industry), at this time storage is only getting cheaper. Data will never be erased and correlating data is getting easier. If you own a car, use a phone/laptop etc. you are tracked 24/7 whether you're at work (by your employer) or out in public (by gov. or employer).

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    Re: License Plate Readers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. E View Post
    You've never used a database...I've used similar programs (in the private industry), at this time storage is only getting cheaper. Data will never be erased and correlating data is getting easier. If you own a car, use a phone/laptop etc. you are tracked 24/7 whether you're at work (by your employer) or out in public (by gov. or employer).
    Sorry, I was under the impression we were talking about a specific police investigatory tool whose purpose is supposedly to determine if someone should be stopped or not. They don't need to know anything about me at this point, except whether the car is stolen or I (the owner) am on a warrant or want list.

    What you just mentioned is irrelelvant when talking about limiting the use of such a tool to it's stated purpose.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: License Plate Readers?

    private companies i can live with, the government i cannot.
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    Re: License Plate Readers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Sorry, I was under the impression we were talking about a specific police investigatory tool whose purpose is supposedly to determine if someone should be stopped or not. They don't need to know anything about me at this point, except whether the car is stolen or I (the owner) am on a warrant or want list.

    What you just mentioned is irrelelvant when talking about limiting the use of such a tool to it's stated purpose.
    Why limit data if it is lawful? Why not search later if there was a crime in that vicinity? You provide a set of criteria without actual reason.

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    Re: License Plate Readers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. E View Post
    Why limit data if it is lawful? Why not search later if there was a crime in that vicinity? You provide a set of criteria without actual reason.
    The reason is our ideas of privacy seem different. I do not believe that because information about me exists, YOU have a right to know it. I have always been particularly concerned about all the unnecessary information we are required to give in order to simply co-exist and conduct business. Maybe if I intended to marry you that would call for more information than just that acquired by our prior acquaintance. But why should Joe Shmo next door have access to all my personal information just cuz he's a nosey parker?

    Unless I have done something wrong, the cops don't need to know any more about me than that. Let me go on my merry way while they go on theirs and it's all good.
    Last edited by Captain Adverse; 07-23-13 at 12:56 AM.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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