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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    If I told them, wouldn't I be assuming they didn't have said volition?
    No. Nice evasion though.
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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I gave you an ample and recent example of my point. Either accept it or ignore it, but do not attempt to dismiss it because you do not know who the subject is. Surely you remember seeing many discussions about "black English", ebonics and "urban culture". Allow me try to give you more examples (to ignore or dismiss):

    Florida's Race-based Goals For Students Spark Debate

    Why It's Time to Get Rid of Standardized Tests | TIME.com

    http://www.fairtest.org/sites/defaul...ting_12-10.pdf
    So now we learn you do not understand your own sources, and that you don't understand what constantly means, and that you exaggerate some into all. Well done!
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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not much there that is really helpful. I remember one very smart young lady who asked me once how could the way she spoke be wrong when everyone she knew spoke that way. She has a point. What we call proper is largely arbitrary. And nothing is more useless than a standardized test. Explaining a problem is not lowering standards. Nor is questioning the arbitrary standard. It is factually that blacks experience our country differently than whites do. We as whites are lucky that everything fits in mostly with how we experience the country. Believing that there is a neutral, objective standard is largely false.
    Nonsense. We are a nation of immigrants yet expect assimilation not a continuous multilingual stew of ghettos. How is it that Asians, European and middle eastern folks have not remained largely separate? Most immigrants have no difficulty assimilating after, at most, two generations.
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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So now we learn you do not understand your own sources, and that you don't understand what constantly means, and that you exaggerate some into all. Well done!
    I see. My misuse of language is an issue yet Boo asserts that we may speak any way that we like. Perhaps I should have said fequently and often instead of constantly, I do not recall saying all, so let me change that to some, most or many. The fact remains that SOME standards differ intentionally based on race and I have provided SOME examples to back that up.
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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No. Nice evasion though.
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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Here is the statement:

    Here is the context, the editorial it was taken from: To Avoid Looking Like a Criminal, Don't Commit a Crime - Ann Coulter - Page full

    So, you do agree with the above quoted statement?
    Hard for me to relate to the quote, because when I look at a person I don't see their race. I see a person, and I evaluate them based on the things they say and their actions.

    The quote, if taken literally, means that blacks will some day be treated like people capable of exercising free will and possibilities. They already have that right, it's written into the Constitution. Socially speaking, it's iffy... but it's iffy everywhere. Most multi-ethnic countries experience racism, unless the ethnicities have lived together in relative peace for hundreds of years. If it's a new congregation, then there is always tension.

    The difference is that America loves branding its racism in many different ways, and marketing it. It becomes a media event for everyone to entertain themselves with. Racism is show business. I find that rather anomalous.

    Added to that... I don't think historical grievances have really been addressed. The U.S. has done a lot to try and fix it, but it's not going to make it all better over night. In places like Brazil, black people live in the lowest tier of society as a vestage of the slavery years. Any country that used to have black slavery has a disproportionately poor black population, so I don't know why the U.S. is acting like this is some kind of big mystery, or that the problem should just go away.

    The inequities we see today are partly due to historical poverty, and partly due to some blacks too heavily identifying with the culture of disenfranchisement being sold to them. No other country in the world has something as depraved as B.E.T. If I had a black child I would never let them watch that crap because all it does it teach them that they are worthless. America's corporate media have packaged racist self-degradation into something to be sold to blacks. If it weren't for that, I think we'd be seeing a lot more recovery.

    Black people already have free will. They need to start using it as Dr. King suggested.
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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Here is the statement:

    Here is the context, the editorial it was taken from: http://townhall.com/columnists/annco...3187/page/full

    So, you do agree with the above quoted statement?
    Well, since you won't change the sentence's poor choice of adjective to bring more clarity to the sentence...why? I have no idea...and since I've had a jolt of clarity this morning...I'll have a go at it:

    Perhaps, someday, blacks will win the right to be treated like volitional human beings. But not yet.
    Translation: "Perhaps, someday, blacks will win the right to be treated like individual thinkers. But not yet."

    As with any generality, it's too all encompassing. But I understand it now, and I tend to agree. Certainly, in this particular instance, there can be no doubt a herd mentality is at work.
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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nonsense. We are a nation of immigrants yet expect assimilation not a continuous multilingual stew of ghettos. How is it that Asians, European and middle eastern folks have not remained largely separate? Most immigrants have no difficulty assimilating after, at most, two generations.
    Said from someone not having to do it. We've never been a melting pot. We have many different languages and customs and behaviors. And in a free country, that's fine.

    However, that's not really what I'm talking about. They came here as slaves, then as discriminated citizens, and the expectation that just saying you're free will make all that history nil is silly. There was no history to draw on, no blue print, no stories. You really must understand the real and tangible differences.

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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Here is the statement:



    Here is the context, the editorial it was taken from: To Avoid Looking Like a Criminal, Don't Commit a Crime - Ann Coulter - Page full

    So, you do agree with the above quoted statement?



    I don't agree with anything that Ann Coulter says.

    She is one of the most partisan, hate-filled people in the USA.

    She is on my ignore list.
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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Said from someone not having to do it. We've never been a melting pot. We have many different languages and customs and behaviors. And in a free country, that's fine.

    However, that's not really what I'm talking about. They came here as slaves, then as discriminated citizens, and the expectation that just saying you're free will make all that history nil is silly. There was no history to draw on, no blue print, no stories. You really must understand the real and tangible differences.
    You must stop making silly excuses. Take Rachel Jeantel, for example, born in the US, attending free public school and, at age 19, can barely converse, much less read or write English. That argument may have held some sway in 1965, but that was quite a few generations ago. Concepts, such as telling the truth (especially when under oath), should not be strange or foreign to anyone.

    She told West she altered her story about Martin because his mom was in the room during the state attorney interview. Jeantel said she didn't want his mother to hear Martin use words such as "cracker." She also said she didn't originally tell Fulton she overheard Martin saying, "get off, get off."
    Rachel Jeantel faces 2nd day of questioning in George Zimmerman trial | News - Home


    Take a simple thing like describing to another person what "creepy ass cracka" means, and yet comming up with many versions, seeming to believe that words mean different things on different days in front of different people:

    Patterico's Pontifications » Rachel Jeantel Tells Piers Morgan “Creepy Ass Cracka” Does Not Refer to a White Person, Morgan “Forgets” Her Courtroom Testimony to the Contrary

    ‘Star witness’ Rachel Jeantel: ‘Creepy-ass cracker’ means ‘pervert’ in my culture | Twitchy
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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