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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yet you are doing exactly the same thing; taking the word of the POTUS, that has encountered literally millions of people in the course of his life, yet "vividly recalls" 3 or 4 of them that reacted to his presence in a negative way that he considered to be racially discriminatory.

    The 1960's are about three generations ago now, which is hardly "yesterday", and we seem to see many (if not most) US immigrants choose to loose their hyphenated status after that period of time - when was the last time that you heard about the plight of the "boat people"? Many of those of Japanese decent were herded into isolation camps in the 1940's yet mananged to overcome, not dwelling on it and teaching their offspring to beware of those "round eyed" folks.

    Just how long should the racial "pity party" last before you think it is time to say buck up, get an education, obey the laws and get a job? The black out of wedlock childbirth rate is now at 73% (and rising), 1 in 3 of all black males can be expected to do some prison time (1 in 2 if a HS drop out and under age 30) and General Welfare is now largley replacing the black male as "daddy"/provider.
    I take that word because it matches both experience and studies. And the people whining the most are those the most priviledged, white males. And that is really kind of embarrassing.

    And three generations is not long. That's the point I tried to make. It takes more then 3 to 5 times that. As I noted, they gained freedom with no family history of freedom, nor education, nor of work leading to success. Today you can still find families where they don't read. Think about that. If your parents didn't read, and your grand parents didn't read, and your great grand parents didn't read, what is the likelihood you would read? Apply that to other good habit.

    In my day, they sad walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you criticize. I still think that's a good idea.

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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    While I understand why the circumstances exist, acting as if they are incapable of self-improvement, or seeking such through their own volition, hardly helps to address the problems, either. Which is the point of the remark in the article.

    PS also, considering the nature and extent of some of the issues facing the african american community, it shouldn't be something one group is concerned about (and it's not).

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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Out of context, the comment sounds like it could have been made by a racist from an earlier time (or current time, if most of the racists weren't far too careful for such because they know they'll get excoriated for saying such a thing).

    In context, it makes a kind of sense...often it seems to me that black persons (among others) are portrayed as incapable of volition, by various media outlets...
    But at the same time it seems obviously placed to get response from people who don't see the context (this became much clearer once I noted that someone had realized Coulter wrote it...I didn't actually see who the author was).

    Hell, the statement is even it's own paragraph...or something like that...
    Coulter, despite popular opinion, is not utterly unschooled in the clever use of rhetoric.

    That the phrase can easily be taken in two ways is entirely intentional.

    So she can say ugly, provocative things...and then claim "context."

    The point is that, if she didn't want the offensive connotation to stand, she would have worded it differently.
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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucker View Post
    Coulter, despite popular opinion, is not utterly unschooled in the clever use of rhetoric.

    That the phrase can easily be taken in two ways is entirely intentional.

    So she can say ugly, provocative things...and then claim "context."

    The point is that, if she didn't want the offensive connotation to stand, she would have worded it differently.
    It seems obvious to me that she intentionally wrote it in that way specifically to provoke responses, while still not actually saying anything bad, in context.


    Hell, it almost seems like it was designed to be easily taken out of context...
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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    It seems obvious to me that she intentionally wrote it in that way specifically to provoke responses, while still not actually saying anything bad, in context.


    Hell, it almost seems like it was designed to be easily taken out of context...

    Yes, that's my opinion on it too, though of course it's pure speculation...based on assuming she has a good grasp of grammar and rhetoric.
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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucker View Post
    Yes, that's my opinion on it too, though of course it's pure speculation...based on assuming she has a good grasp of grammar and rhetoric.
    I don't know if it's possible to accidentally set up a sentence like that.
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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I don't know if it's possible to accidentally set up a sentence like that.


    Good point....let's be generous and say it's unlikely.
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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Hell, it almost seems like it was designed to be easily taken out of context...
    that's my general impression of her writing. Very passive aggressive with an underlining note of malice

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    Re: Do You Agree With This Statement?

    I selected:

    I am unsure/something else completely

    That is the closest to the truth: blacks already have the right in question.

    Discrimination has not disappeared completely, but it has disappeared enough so that
    effort and ability are by far the most important outcome-determining factors, with effort
    being the more important of the two. Also, residual anti-black discrimination is to a large
    extent offset by affirmative action, a policy which works especially to the disadvantage
    of the nation's Asians, who I think now have the most legitimate complaint.

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