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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    They did more than that, they flat out lied and changed the factual evidence to suit their narrative. I think everyone of those 24/7 news commentary channels should be made to pay for the trial and all the expenses and damages related to the protests...after all, they're the only ones who profited from it.
    One thing you all overlook is that Martin was a minor. There are restrictions about what CAN be released about a minor without the family's consent. Of course, the family has an interest in painting their son out to be a saint - and likely would've done so even if it was just talking to strangers about their kid before the incident. It's what most parents do, even when they have a kid with some issues.

    And the right wing media played their own distortion games as well, so that a certain bunch of people can feel justified in being glad that Martin is dead.

    I'm not saying you necessarily, but I guarantee you there are a LOT of people out there who don't look at this as tragic, but are thankful that Zimmerman "got one." Thus, the need to paint him out as the human face of evil for smoking pot and getting suspended.

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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    But, of course, the backlash is to paint him out to be a wanton baby-killing thug who, if Zimmerman hadn't stalked him down and killt him, he was going to destroy vast swaths of humanity all on his own.

    It doesn't matter if he enjoyed smoking pot or got suspended or took a selfie flipping the bird. He wasn't doing anything wrong when Zimmerman decided that he looked like a criminal and decided to stalk him against police advise and against Neighborhood Watch practices. Now he's dead. And apparently a lot of people think it's okay to shoot people who aren't perfect little saints.
    Well I don't know what other people think, I think it was two morons who got into a fight which spiraled out of control and ended up a tragedy. Both parties made mistakes and bad decisions which led to the outcome.

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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well I don't know what other people think, I think it was two morons who got into a fight which spiraled out of control and ended up a tragedy. Both parties made mistakes and bad decisions which led to the outcome.
    Except one person made the bad decision FIRST that led to all of it. And he faces no responsibility for it. Zimmerman reacted to an assumption that a kid in a hoodie was "suspicious." Martin reacted to a guy who was stalking him, who then got out of the car and continued following him and someone he perceived as a threat.

    If Zimmerman doesn't make his stupid assumption first, Martin has nothing to perceive as a threat to respond to and is home eating Skittles right now. And Zimmerman is peeking out his front window looking for other suspicious perps. And we don't know who they are.

    The jury said, "The only thing he was guilty of was not using good judgement."

    In most place, not using good judgment that results in someone's death is called Manslaughter.

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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    If you're logical and rational, it doesn't matter. If you're hyper-emotional and hyper-sensitive, it matters.

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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Except one person made the bad decision FIRST that led to all of it. And he faces no responsibility for it. Zimmerman reacted to an assumption that a kid in a hoodie was "suspicious." Martin reacted to a guy who was stalking him, who then got out of the car and continued following him and someone he perceived as a threat.

    If Zimmerman doesn't make his stupid assumption first, Martin has nothing to perceive as a threat to respond to and is home eating Skittles right now. And Zimmerman is peeking out his front window looking for other suspicious perps. And we don't know who they are.

    The jury said, "The only thing he was guilty of was not using good judgement."

    In most place, not using good judgment that results in someone's death is called Manslaughter.
    No, it's not manslaughter because the only thing they could prove was that Z followed M. That is not against the law. They could not prove that Z did anything against the law, so yes, according to the law he is only guilty of not using good judgment.

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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, it's not manslaughter because the only thing they could prove was that Z followed M. That is not against the law. They could not prove that Z did anything against the law, so yes, according to the law he is only guilty of not using good judgment.
    Not using good judgment that KILLED someone. Not using good judgment was assuming that a kid walking down the street was automatically a criminal. Not using good judgment that KILLED someone is stalking that person in a vehicle and then on foot to the point that the person feels threatened.

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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Not using good judgment that KILLED someone. Not using good judgment was assuming that a kid walking down the street was automatically a criminal. Not using good judgment that KILLED someone is stalking that person in a vehicle and then on foot to the point that the person feels threatened.
    Okay, the same can be said of Trayvon's decisions that night too, to confront the follower, to not call 9-1-1 and call his friend instead, probably other things that I don't remember or don't know about. I certainly wasn't as interested and didn't follow this case as much as others have and it's not an obsession of mine.

    However, according to the topic of discussion, if a person who is 17 years old starts beating the hell out of you and is getting the better of you, slamming your head on the concrete and smothering you, it is a natural instinct to use whatever to defend yourself.

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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Then why mention the "spleef"?
    You're right, I should have said "blunt." Trayvon may have smoked a "blunt" just prior to running into Zimmerman. Marijuana can make some people feel "paranoid". So Trayvon may have been acting paranoid...or just stoned....and to Zimmerman that looked suspicious.



    Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, it's Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

    Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or hispanic?

    Zimmerman: He looks black.

    Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

    Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's here now, he was just staring.

    Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area…

    Zimmerman: looking at all the houses.

    Dispatcher: OK…

    Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.


    No one deserves to die for smoking pot...please. That isn't the point...the point is, Trayvon's stoned behaviour is what alerted Zimmerman to notice him and not his race or what he was wearing.


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    Do you think the public would have had as much sympathy for Trayvon if the media portrayed him as an adult instead of a child? Ask a pro-lifer, they refer to a ZEF as a child to invoke sympathy all the time.

    The public outrage in the aftermath of the trial is whats relevant now and most of those who act the most outraged are still refering to Trayvon as a "little boy" or "a kid" and the media is still portraying him as such when in fact he was a full grown young man just a few months away from being considered a full fledged adult.
    Last edited by Moot; 07-18-13 at 06:50 PM.

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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    I enjoy when people who don't understand the meaning of recidivism talk about what the right punishments should be. It's like debating with Down Syndrome kids about chromosomes.
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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You're right, I should have said "blunt." Trayvon may have smoked a "blunt" just prior to running into Zimmerman. Marijuana can make some people feel "paranoid". So Trayvon may have been acting paranoid...or just stoned....and to Zimmerman that looked suspicious.

    Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, it's Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

    Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or hispanic?

    Zimmerman: He looks black.

    Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

    Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's here now, he was just staring.

    Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area…

    Zimmerman: looking at all the houses.

    Dispatcher: OK…

    Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.


    No one deserves to die for smoking pot. That isn't the point...the point is, Trayvon's stoned behaviour is what alerted Zimmerman to notice him and not his race or what he was wearing.


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    Do you think the public would have had as much sympathy for Trayvon if the media portrayed him as an adult instead of a child? Ask a pro-lifer, they refer to a ZEF as child all the time because they know they'll get more sympathy.

    The public outrage in the aftermath of the trial is whats relevant now and most of those who act the most outraged are still refering to Trayvon as a "little boy" or "a kid" and the media is still portraying him as such when in fact he was a full grown young man just a few months away from being considered a full fledged adult.
    I personally refer to anyone under 30 as a kid at this point. When a teen dies in an accident people say, "He was just a kid." It's actually quite common.

    And I don't ****ing care if it was Snoop Dogg (or Lion or whatever he calls himself these days): Zimmerman does what was asked him by the dispatcher and what is policy of Neighborhood Watch - and everyone's alive.

    Zimmerman's initial bad judgment led to everything. Without that, we hear nothing about these two. Martin's alive and Zimmerman can remain paranoid in trying to take out "punks."

    The make-up or content of Martin's character has dick-all to do with it, other than to let certain people feel glad that he's dead.

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