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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    While I would prefer he wait on that (he is currently engaged in vocational training that will not be complete for a couple more years)... if he had to, yes I think he could support a family and raise a child. Probably fairly well too. He is terribly serious of mind and dreadfully responsible.


    You DO know that married-with-a-baby-en-route at 17 or 18 used to be pretty commonplace, just a generation ago right?

    Not saying its ideal, but it USED to work out reasonably well for millions and millions of folks...
    OMG! You should really hope that doesn't happen.

    Again, ignoring changes in our society. A generation ago? PUHLEESE!

    How would your son support his family?

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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    OMG! You should really hope that doesn't happen.

    Again, ignoring changes in our society. A generation ago? PUHLEESE!

    How would your son support his family?

    I DO hope that doesn't happen anytime soon. We have put our heads together and have a plan for him, whereby he will be in a much better financial position to consider marriage and family in approximately another 3 to 5 years. He is in agreement.


    However, life can happen anytime. If he had to support a family I suppose he'd have to get a job, just like any other man...


    Oh wait... he already has a job. And goes to school.

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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I DO hope that doesn't happen anytime soon. We have put our heads together and have a plan for him, whereby he will be in a much better financial position to consider marriage and family in approximately another 3 to 5 years. He is in agreement.


    However, life can happen anytime. If he had to support a family I suppose he'd have to get a job, just like any other man...


    Oh wait... he already has a job. And goes to school.
    Yeah, cute smiley. Anyhow, you know as well as I do that he doesn't have enough education under his belt to be able to support a family without help. I cannot believe anyone would advocate for this.

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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    And what about kids like me, who were NOT ready to be thrust into adulthood? There are more of them than ones who are ready at 16. So just to hell with them? If they don't have good parents who teach them things, to hell with them? They pay the price anyways?

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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yeah, cute smiley. Anyhow, you know as well as I do that he doesn't have enough education under his belt to be able to support a family without help. I cannot believe anyone would advocate for this.

    Didn't say I was advocating it; pretty sure I specifically said we had a plan for him that included putting off marriage/family for another 4-5 years for him to get financially squared away.

    However, I've known plenty of men who lacked a college education, and some who lacked a diploma, who managed to provide adequately for a family anyway. How? By sucking it up and doing the necessary. Not fun, but it can be done.

    Is it ideal? No. But a lot of life turns out to be less than ideal, much of the time...

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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    And what about kids like me, who were NOT ready to be thrust into adulthood? There are more of them than ones who are ready at 16. So just to hell with them? If they don't have good parents who teach them things, to hell with them? They pay the price anyways?


    Absent quotes I don't know if this was addressed to me, but I'm going to assume it was.

    So would you care to quote me where I said anything of this kind? Where I said anything about paying a price anyways? Where I advocated a change to our legal system that you were now adult at 16 like it or not, boot your ass out the door and make a living?

    Because I didn't say anything like that.


    What I said DOES strongly imply that I think many of our modern teens are irresponsible and immature (as much as they are, I mean) because they haven't been raised to be more responsible and mature. That was all.

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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Didn't say I was advocating it; pretty sure I specifically said we had a plan for him that included putting off marriage/family for another 4-5 years for him to get financially squared away.

    However, I've known plenty of men who lacked a college education, and some who lacked a diploma, who managed to provide adequately for a family anyway. How? By sucking it up and doing the necessary. Not fun, but it can be done.

    Is it ideal? No. But a lot of life turns out to be less than ideal, much of the time...
    Exactly, so why would we want to make teenagers adults at 16 years old? That is just stupid. That is just creating more burger flippers and minimum wage workers, who in turn have to collect from the system. In today's society, education is crucial to success. Anyone who denies that has their head buried in the sand. Sixteen years old is NOT old enough to have accumulated enough education OR experience to function and thrive in our complicated and expensive society which demands some level of at least a primary education. Even construction workers nowadays are expected to have at least a high school diploma.

    Give them a few more years to be kids and complete their education and gain some knowledge and experience, because this is NOT 200, 100 or even 50 years ago, and times have changed immensely. There is NO rush anymore like there was in the olden days. There is plenty of time. People are living longer than ever now.

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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Absent quotes I don't know if this was addressed to me, but I'm going to assume it was.

    So would you care to quote me where I said anything of this kind? Where I said anything about paying a price anyways? Where I advocated a change to our legal system that you were now adult at 16 like it or not, boot your ass out the door and make a living?

    Because I didn't say anything like that.


    What I said DOES strongly imply that I think many of our modern teens are irresponsible and immature (as much as they are, I mean) because they haven't been raised to be more responsible and mature. That was all.
    If you are advocating for treating teens as adults within the judicial and legal system, then you are advocating they be treated as adults in all venues.

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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Exactly, so why would we want to make teenagers adults at 16 years old? That is just stupid. That is just creating more burger flippers and minimum wage workers, who in turn have to collect from the system. In today's society, education is crucial to success. Anyone who denies that has their head buried in the sand. Sixteen years old is NOT old enough to have accumulated enough education OR experience to function and thrive in our complicated and expensive society which demands some level of at least a primary education. Even construction workers nowadays are expected to have at least a high school diploma.

    Give them a few more years to be kids and complete their education and gain some knowledge and experience, because this is NOT 200, 100 or even 50 years ago, and times have changed immensely. There is NO rush anymore like there was in the olden days. There is plenty of time. People are living longer than ever now.

    I'm not sure who you're arguing with, but I suspect it isn't me. I never said make them adult at 16.... I said some can be taught to operate in a relatively adult manner by age 16, and that I think we should try to raise our children to be more responsible and serious by that age. I've said nothing about changing any existing laws.

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    Re: Is the age of a dead burglar,assailant,armed robber, attempted rapist/murder rela

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    If you are advocating for treating teens as adults within the judicial and legal system, then you are advocating they be treated as adults in all venues.

    Teens that commit certain serious felonies are already treated as adults by the legal system in most states.


    The OP is about whether you would adjust your response to a threat based on the attackers' age. My answer was that it depends on the seriousness of the attack, more or less, and a capability of the attacker to carry out his intentions. In which case I'd be treating TM as an adult, because he'd be able to do adult-level damage to someone in a fight.

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