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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Of course the founders would be disappointed. Minorities, women, the poor and homosexuals have equal rights as white land owning males. The founders would have hated that!

    Thank God we are disappointing to the founders!
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    everyone of you are going to be judged by future generations, and those future generations will find faults with you, as you find faults with the founders.

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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    They created the two party system. When we moved down to a one party government after the War of 1812, it created more problems. The nation purely voted on a regional basis, no one had a national message or wide national support. After that decade, we had the two-party system from then on.

    I don't know why people keep pulling out this idea.
    They didn't intentionally create it, they just polarized on issues and it became the two party system. As for the one party system, if you think that's what I am advocating then you are mistaken. We need MORE options not less. Put a third party in the white house and I promise you we don't have any IRS or NSA scandals.
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    71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    They didn't intentionally create it, they just polarized on issues and it became the two party system. As for the one party system, if you think that's what I am advocating then you are mistaken. We need MORE options not less. Put a third party in the white house and I promise you we don't have any IRS or NSA scandals.
    Which doesn't indict the premise of the party system.

    You think that with another political party or a parliamentary system, political targeting, scandals, or government monitoring would cease to exist? Come on, you're not that naive, are you?
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    everyone of you are going to be judged by future generations, and those future generations will find faults with you, as you find faults with the founders.
    So true... which is why I find healthy arguments/debates to be constructive. Some people argue for arguments sake... which can be fun and perhaps sometimes productive; but I really get excited when I start to see people view things differently due to keeping an open mind and realizing that one never knows everything.

    Argument lets us see the problems in our thinking, if you are open to it.

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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    They didn't intentionally create it, they just polarized on issues and it became the two party system. As for the one party system, if you think that's what I am advocating then you are mistaken. We need MORE options not less. Put a third party in the white house and I promise you we don't have any IRS or NSA scandals.
    We'll just have a different set of scandals.
    Might be minor,might be catastrophic.

    But hey I agree,we need a third party,if anything just to shake things up a bit.

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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    I think we need to turn the system upside down, shake out all the dirt, and reform laws and regulations at the federal level as well as throw all of the many corrupt asshats down the steps of the Capitol building.

    Shaking things up a bit in Congress will only result in the NSA, DoD, and DoJ classifying more and more of their actions and literally getting away with treason... in secret. If you don't consider what the NSA has already done treasonous, anyway.

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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Which doesn't indict the premise of the party system.

    You think that with another political party or a parliamentary system, political targeting, scandals, or government monitoring would cease to exist? Come on, you're not that naive, are you?
    Obviously there would be troubles, but there is no fear of not being able to get re-elected right now. Obama could rip up the Constitution and not have to worry because within the next 8 to 12 years there is assured to be another Democrat with almost identical views to be able to influence politics to his liking. If a 3rd party were to be elected into office there wouldn't be room for scandals, it is the party's one shot in maybe 50 to 75 years to influence American politics to their views. I'm not saying it will be perfect, but it is needed.
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Disappointing ? More like disgusted. Minorities have had some of their rights protected since then but in general our rights have been destroyed and every day we lose more.

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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    George Washington warned about a two party government when he stepped down after his second term, he believed that it would be the downfall of a successful governing body to have polarized politics. Looks like he was about spot on.
    I find the 2 party system divisive too however what's really come to my realization due to my own study of understanding "the whys" behind the news headlines; the reactions to the OJ Simpson verdict, 9/11 and more troubling its celebration in Islamic countries, the election of Barrack Obama to the White House and the utter outrage it triggered even before he won, etc. etc. etc., is human beings seem to have an innate tendency toward tribalism. People tend to identify with and see themselves as members of groups or tribes. These groups can be political, ethnic, cultural, religious, sports team supporters, whatever. Then once they've identified with their group, the definitions or right and wrong take on type of mob mentality. Objectivity goes out the window and good, right or even better, entitled and superior become defined on the basis on membership (in good standing) with the group as well as being marked as a foe by being perceived as a member of an opposition group.

    The short version is people will gravitate to tribalism. The 2 party system is in many ways a joke such as The Republican Heritage Foundation coming up with the idea of an individual mandate for healthcare coverage but a Democrat implements a Republican idea and he's a socialist. There are all kinds of other examples. I am of the view that the 2 party system pacifies the need for tribalism in the human psyche politically in America. If the parties were done away with I fear a vacuum would be created and would be filled with a political tribalism based upon geographic region and would threaten to literally break apart the country.
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