They would look at our world wide power, our wealth, our success, our standard of living, our expansion of freedom in the society... and I do believe they would be astounded and very pleased.
As if it mattered since they all have been gone for the past two centuries give or take.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers
no, dude. This is in no way limited to the Patriot Act.
consider, for example, the charges of the Anti-Federalist, Brutus:
Now, are you going to tell me he didn't turn out to be rather prescient?...This power, exercised without limitation, will introduce itself into every corner of the city, and country-it will wait upon the ladies at their toilet, and will not leave them in any of their domestic concerns; it will accompany them to the ball, the play, and assembly; it will go with them when they visit, and will, on all occasions, sit beside them in their carriages, nor will it desert them even at church; it will enter the house of every gentleman, watch over his cellar, wait upon his cook in the kitchen, follow the servants into the parlor, preside over the table, and note down all he eats or drinks; it will attend him to his bedchamber, and watch him while he sleeps; it will take cognizance of the professional man in his office, or his study; it will watch the merchant in the counting-house, or in his store; it will follow the mechanic to his shop, and in his work, and will haunt him in his family, and in his bed; it will be a constant companion of the industrious farmer in all his labor, it will be with him in the house, and in the field, observe the toil of his hands, and the sweat of his brow; it will penetrate into the most obscure cottage; and finally, it will light upon the head of every person in the United States. To all these different classes of people, and in all these circumstances, in which it will attend them, the language in which it will address them, will be GIVE! GIVE! A power that has such latitude, which reaches every person in the community in every conceivable circumstance, and lays hold of every species of property they possess, and which has no bounds set to it, but the discretion of those who exercise it-I say, such a power must necessarily, from its very nature, swallow up all the power of the state governments. I shall add but one other observation on this head, which is this: It appears to me a solecism, for two men, or bodies of men, to have unlimited power respecting the same object. It contradicts the ... maxim, which saith, "no man can serve two masters," the one power or the other must prevail, or else they will destroy each other, and neither of them effect their purpose. It may be compared to two mechanic powers, acting upon the same body in opposite directions, the consequence would be, if the powers were equal, the body would remain in a state of rest, or if the force of the one was superior to that of the other, the stronger would prevail, and overcome the resistance of the weaker. But it is said, by some of the advocates of this system, that "the idea that Congress can levy taxes at pleasure is false, and the suggestion wholly unsupported. The preamble to the constitution is declaratory of the purposes of the [our] union, and the assumption of any power not necessary to establish justice, etc., provide for the common defense, etc., will be unconstitutional....
“If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures.”
- Alexander Hamilton. Spiritual father of #NeverTrump
In practically every empire that ever existed,somebody (whether it was from within or outside the empire) had to come out ahead over everyone else
Or at least had a good escape plan..and have someone else pay the bill.
Fine. Since I left my feet sticking out from the safety of the blankets you can whack them off and make gumbo out of them and we can call it even
Society is fine. There is an ebb and flow to all this, and people have been dooming and glooming for as long as recorded history.
The question is sort of a platitude really, and people will answer based on their current level of national pride. Most of the founding fathers were aristocrats, womanizers, and slave owners. Back then it was normal.
I think the truth is that they wouldn't recognize America due to all the radical changes in the past few hundred years. Muskets and gunpower... and now we have weapons that could wipe out this whole planet several times over.
No offense CJ but as an outsider I don't think that you would be able to fully grasp how our Founding Fathers were thinking at the time. Your culture in Canada is quite a bit different than ours in the US. Similar in certain aspects sure, but different none the less. I say this as an outsider looking at your own country and my understanding of it compared to my understanding of my own culture and bailiwick.
I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer. ~ Kal'Stang
My mind and my heart are saying I'm in my twenties. My body is pointing at my mind and heart and laughing its ass off. ~ Kal'Stang
A Canadian conservative is one who believes in limited government and that the government should stay out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms.
This suggests to me that very few people actually know much about what any of the individual founders thought, and that many people think they were a homogeneous group that didn't fight bitterly, often about the same subjects we argue about now. Most people just declare that the founders would agree with whatever position they espouse.
Some would be all about the guns, while others would think it insane that so many people carry weapons. Some would think that social support systems were wastes of energy, while others would think them necessary. Some would think that religious morality is outdated and should be discarded, while others would support castrating homosexuals. Some would think that ensuring that every American can vote is paramount, while others would be upset that women can vote.
Invoking the hypothetical approval or disproval of people who died two centuries ago is a fruitless pursuit.
Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.