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71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

Do you think the Founding Fathers would be disapointed in the US.

  • Yes

    Votes: 49 65.3%
  • No

    Votes: 14 18.7%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 12 16.0%

  • Total voters
    75
If anything, they'd have mixed feelings. With the bad, there's alot of good. Even in our struggling time, we're at the top and have achieved things none of them could have foreseen. People are too quick to say the founding fathers would be totally disappointed with the US at the moment. They would probably be impressed by some things, disappointed by others, and not surprised about a few problematic things that came to pass. But no one can really say in the end, I suppose.

If we went back to see America during its' early days, most wouldn't be too pleased either.

The USA of today is hell of a lot better than the one during their era.

I think if given the opportunity of hindsight, I think they'd first be disappointed in themselves for not dealing with slavery and mistreatment of Native Americans upfront. I think they'd be disappointed in some things but at the same time incredibly proud of what we've done.

- Their founding documents have become the benchmark for all countries on earth that desire freedom and government at the consent of the governed.
- People doing everything they can and getting on waiting lists to make America their home.
- The country they founded invented modern aviation, electric light, the computer, the Internet, satellite communications and put human beings on the moon.

More in awe than disappointed I think.
This.
 
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We no longer own slaves. Some of the founders would definitely find that disappointing.
 
We no longer own slaves. Some of the founders would definitely find that disappointing.

At that time, all of the world would find it unthinkable. If a founder was brought up to date on history and science, I imagine they all had the capacity to understand that slavery is nonsense.
 
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I would be among the 71%. If you look at us now and compare us to the past we have become a lazy, arrogant, and stupid people. And the goverment has done many things that are unconstitutional (ex secret laws). Do you think they would be dissaponted in us, and is so why?

I'm not so sure ... I think it would be mixed ... they didn't like the masses and the masses don't have that much power today ... no slavery might disappoint some of them and they'd for sure be appalled that we had a black president ... they would probably miss the horse poop on the streets and wonder why mounted police had bags under their horses hinies ...
 
At that time, all of the world would find it unthinkable. If a founder was brought up to date on history and science, I imagine they all had the capacity to understand that slavery is nonsense.
There were rumblings in England about slavery that started around the same time and even some of our founders didn't want to recognize it.
 
There were rumblings in England about slavery that started around the same time and even some of our founders didn't want to recognize it.

The late 1700s was a vastly different time. There was slavery everywhere in the world.
 
I'm not so sure ... I think it would be mixed ... they didn't like the masses and the masses don't have that much power today ... no slavery might disappoint some of them and they'd for sure be appalled that we had a black president ... they would probably miss the horse poop on the streets and wonder why mounted police had bags under their horses hinies ...

They may like the internet, particularly blogs. The newspapers of the era were pretty rancid turds, though there was the occasional bright spot. At the most you got a Weekly Standard or The Nation, but usually it was like Townhall or gossip columns. Another reason not to buy into everything that generation liked.
 
They may like the internet, particularly blogs. The newspapers of the era were pretty rancid turds, though there was the occasional bright spot. At the most you got a Weekly Standard or The Nation, but usually it was like Townhall or gossip columns. Another reason not to buy into everything that generation liked.

but good thing they didn't have it, otherwise we'd still be a British colony ...
 
The late 1700s was a vastly different time. There was slavery everywhere in the world.
I agree slavery was virtually everywhere but not everyone agreed with it, including some of our founders. By 1807 Britain outlawed it (in Britain, I believe most of their colonies still had it). Something like that doesn't come out of nowhere, there had to have been some kind of movement that direction for several decades prior to 1807.
 
I agree slavery was virtually everywhere but not everyone agreed with it, including some of our founders. By 1807 Britain outlawed it (in Britain, I believe most of their colonies still had it). Something like that doesn't come out of nowhere, there had to have been some kind of movement that direction for several decades prior to 1807.

And where did the movement start? In England and the US. Not in South America, Eastern Europe, Asia or the Mideast. Those places maintained slavery, of their own people even, long after the US abandoned slavery. Additionally, slavery exists in many places today.

Trying to portray the founders as remorseless slavers ignores historical context. It's taking something that was everywhere and trying to pretend that it mattered so much more in a particular place. Further, that the particular place was at the forefront of abandoning slavery only makes such remarks all the more out of place. Lastly, trying to claim that the founders, today, would be disappointed that slavery is gone is nonsense. One cannot simply pull someone out of basically ancient history and pretend they'd be the same today.
 
And where did the movement start? In England and the US. Not in South America, Eastern Europe, Asia or the Mideast. Those places maintained slavery, of their own people even, long after the US abandoned slavery. Additionally, slavery exists in many places today.

Trying to portray the founders as remorseless slavers ignores historical context. It's taking something that was everywhere and trying to pretend that it mattered so much more in a particular place. Further, that the particular place was at the forefront of abandoning slavery only makes such remarks all the more out of place. Lastly, trying to claim that the founders, today, would be disappointed that slavery is gone is nonsense. One cannot simply pull someone out of basically ancient history and pretend they'd be the same today.
I had no intention of portraying them all that way. In fact, if you'll check, I made comment - twice - that some of the founders voiced their negative opinions of it.

I think a few of them would be disappointed, obviously, because they fought to keep the practice at the time but most of the founders would be happy it's gone.


My intention was to point out that slavery was not a given at the time, which you seemed to imply. Everyone accepted it for the Constitution because without it there wouldn't have been 13 colonies, there would have been only 10 at best. Less than 100 years later that dispute was partially resolved by the Civil War.
 
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Our founders did what they did, why not talk about it - good or bad?

You've changed the subject. You were on about how founders, TODAY, would be thinking as they were over 200 years ago. And that's a big pile of crap, as I've clearly explained from several angles.
 
You've changed the subject. You were on about how founders, TODAY, would be thinking as they were over 200 years ago. And that's a big pile of crap, as I've clearly explained from several angles.
I do not believe that all of our founders would like the abolition of slavery. There are still people living in the US right now that don't like it. I have no reason to believe the Southern founders that fought for it at the time would be any different.
 
I do not believe that all of our founders would like the abolition of slavery. There are still people living in the US right now that don't like it. I have no reason to believe the Southern founders that fought for it at the time would be any different.

And you have no reason to believe they'd be the same.

Good day.
 
I think the founding fathers would be disappointed that so many people would ask what people 2 and a half centuries ago would have thought.
 
Just as you have no reason to believe they'd be different. :shrug:

Then we agree, your argument is without intellectual foundation or meaning. Basically, race baiting.
 
Then we agree, your argument is without intellectual foundation or meaning.
Yes, we do agree --- your argument is without intellectual foundation or meaning, too.


You've said your peace, I've said mine. Neither position is more valid.
Just face it and call it a day unless you want to continue down the ad hom road you started along.
 
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Yes, we do agree --- your argument is without intellectual foundation or meaning, too.

I only made "my" argument to illustrate the foolish nonsense involved in yours. That both have fallen into the trash bin was my plan all along. Consider your argument soundly defeated, even by your own admission.
 
I only made "my" argument to illustrate the foolish nonsense involved in yours. That both have fallen into the trash bin was my plan all along. Consider your argument soundly defeated, even by your own admission.
A legend in your own mind! :lamo
 
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