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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As an outsider looking in, I have no idea what the 71% can possibly be thinking. The Founding Fathers would find a country that has advanced far beyond anything they may have believed possible while at the same time holding true to the principles upon which the country was built.
    I think that is where they would be disappointed. The American people have given up many of their liberties since the Founders time.

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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    More of everything; quality if life has increase exponentially over the last century.
    Mostly just material things. We need to find our souls again.

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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The Way The Nation Has Turned Out | Techdirt

    I would be among the 71%. If you look at us now and compare us to the past we have become a lazy, arrogant, and stupid people. And the goverment has done many things that are unconstitutional (ex secret laws). Do you think they would be dissaponted in us, and is so why?
    Of course the founders would be disappointed. Minorities, women, the poor and homosexuals have equal rights as white land owning males. The founders would have hated that!

    Thank God we are disappointing to the founders!

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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I think that is where they would be disappointed. The American people have given up many of their liberties since the Founders time.
    No, no, no. We have GAINED civil libteries. Civil liberties didn't even existed during the founders time. The founders were an racist oligarchy.

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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I think that is where they would be disappointed. The American people have given up many of their liberties since the Founders time.
    That's only a very recent development, over the past dozen years, and I believe the pendulum will swing back in the not to distant future while maintaining a sufficient level of security scrutiny. Whether or not you agree with what Snowden did, or how he did it, one has to thank him for bringing the issue to the forefront and making it a topic of discussion going forward. It sounds like there's bipartisan support in congress for new legislation or changes to the Patriot Act that will rein in what is seen as monitoring abuse, and that's a good thing.
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    More of everything; quality if life has increase exponentially over the last century.
    Right. We live like kings compared to the elite of previous generations who comparatively lived in utter poverty. The Founding Fathers didn't have:

    -Indoor plumbing
    -Hot water heaters
    -Toilet paper
    -Air conditioning
    -Electricity
    -Cable TV
    -mp3 players
    -Cell phones
    -blue-ray disc players
    -the NFL
    -cars
    -airplanes
    -toothpaste
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The Way The Nation Has Turned Out | Techdirt

    I would be among the 71%. If you look at us now and compare us to the past we have become a lazy, arrogant, and stupid people. And the goverment has done many things that are unconstitutional (ex secret laws). Do you think they would be dissaponted in us, and is so why?
    I think the founding fathers would have almost no frame of reference for evaluating the United States in 2013. Though it's only been a few hundred years the social, political, economic, scientific, and good lord technological changes that we've undergone have been more dramatic than anything previously seen in human history. I think they would be over-awed at what we've accomplished and dazzled by our prodigious wealth, size, and power.

    Beyond that I think there would be so much to process that their opinions on our political or social development would be almost incoherent. If you rocketed forward to 2240 and the Americans of that time told you about the Constitutional Amendments passed to account for giving voting rights to gene spliced chimeras and the regulatory bodies necessary to monitor them would you be able to fully digest the situation from where your frame of reference is?

    I'm not saying they would have nothing to say, I'm saying it would be of questionable value and as intelligent men I think they'd be more careful in sharing their opinions on a world that is so unrecognizable to them.
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    All of them would be disappointed for various reasons, as they were during their own time. Even though most somehow think this, the Founding Fathers were not just magically content with the United States as it was. Disappointment was a common reaction to social and political developments. Such a poll question only illuminates a decent chunk of those around today. This would be similar to "on the right" or "on the wrong" track questions.
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As an outsider looking in, I have no idea what the 71% can possibly be thinking. The Founding Fathers would find a country that has advanced far beyond anything they may have believed possible while at the same time holding true to the principles upon which the country was built.

    The Founding Fathers may be disappointed in some of the citizens of your great country who don't appreciate the wonder they helped create and the way in which your government has veered off course into areas best left to the people, but all in all I believe they'd be very proud.
    After going through the various embedded links, I think these two cover both the country as a whole, and the status of our government. The questions were not very specific regarding what aspects of our development as a country were in question, but our government appeared to be at least part of the answer sought. I think the Founders would be extremely disappointed in the size and especially the scope of our government, while being completely awe struck by the status of our nation as a global economic, cultural and military power. It is obvious that the foundation they built led to our current state. They also were well aware of the corruption that could and would creep into the workings of our government system.
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    In some ways, they may be a little disappointed (depending on which ones we are actually talking about), but in many, many other ways, they would probably be very proud. As someone else pointed out, we took their ideas and not only used them to improve our own country, but also are seen as THE country to base new democracies on, even if just as a foundation. Their ideas, for the most part work, particularly after they went away from a loose conglomerate of states (that behaved as small nations unto themselves) and went to a centralized government that still allowed states self-governance. But we have also made individual rights much more important than any government control (or at least we try). There are some things I think many of our founding fathers would not approve of, but it wouldn't be an overall disappointment.
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    In some ways, they may be a little disappointed (depending on which ones we are actually talking about), but in many, many other ways, they would probably be very proud. As someone else pointed out, we took their ideas and not only used them to improve our own country, but also are seen as THE country to base new democracies on, even if just as a foundation. Their ideas, for the most part work, particularly after they went away from a loose conglomerate of states (that behaved as small nations unto themselves) and went to a centralized government that still allowed states self-governance. But we have also made individual rights much more important than any government control (or at least we try). There are some things I think many of our founding fathers would not approve of, but it wouldn't be an overall disappointment.
    I think it's a mistake to use that term. We do not have a central government (though there is a group that would love this). But I understand the point you were trying to make.
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