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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    We are a far richer country in many ways than we were when I was a child. Our life is better in nearly every way I can think of. Our environment is much cleaner and...geeeze how can you really think we are going to hell in a handbasket?
    Don't get me wrong, I don't want to be pessimistic but, I am a realist.

    How can you look at the world's economy, the 3/4 of this population that live paycheck to paycheck and see a once prosperous city like Detroit in shambles and say everything is rosy?

    I'm glad everything is wonderful in your world but, it's pretty f&^ked for the majority and it doesn't seem to be improving.


    OH and this wonderful state you see cost over $17 trillion in borrowed money. That can't be sustained.

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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I don't want to be pessimistic but, I am a realist.

    How can you look at the world's economy, the 3/4 of this population that live paycheck to paycheck and see a once prosperous city like Detroit in shambles and say everything is rosy?

    I'm glad everything is wonderful in your world but, it's pretty f&^ked for the majority and it doesn't seem to be improving.


    OH and this wonderful state you see cost over $17 trillion in borrowed money. That can't be sustained.
    1. Move from Detroit.

    2. Consider wealth (at a record, even if polarized)

    3. Consider GDP (#1 by a mile)

    4. Consider political / economic / military influence, globally (we get a rash and the world itches)

    If the FF were to see us being only half of what we are today, they'd be in awe of their creation.

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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    There are fewer starving people in the world today than ever, and most of those are for political reasons rather than agricultural. While I was a child we expected the world to end any second when for some stupid reasons the Ruskies went nuclear, a long distance call cost nearly what my cell phone bill costs now. I see the world and the US getting better. Could be wrong, but at least I am happy. I agree the music was better back then, but then again we have Thursday night football now.
    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I don't want to be pessimistic but, I am a realist.

    How can you look at the world's economy, the 3/4 of this population that live paycheck to paycheck and see a once prosperous city like Detroit in shambles and say everything is rosy?

    I'm glad everything is wonderful in your world but, it's pretty f&^ked for the majority and it doesn't seem to be improving.


    OH and this wonderful state you see cost over $17 trillion in borrowed money. That can't be sustained.
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    they didnt gain independence from UK to be another imperialist l think

    those fathers seem lovely when they are compared to many presidents
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    I think if given the opportunity of hindsight, I think they'd first be disappointed in themselves for not dealing with slavery and mistreatment of Native Americans upfront. I think they'd be disappointed in some things but at the same time incredibly proud of what we've done.

    - Their founding documents have become the benchmark for all countries on earth that desire freedom and government at the consent of the governed.
    - People doing everything they can and getting on waiting lists to make America their home.
    - The country they founded invented modern aviation, electric light, the computer, the Internet, satellite communications and put human beings on the moon.

    More in awe than disappointed I think.
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Personally I think we are worse now than we were 50 years ago. We are in decline.
    Depends on your perspective. 50 years ago as a teenager my dad had to flee rural Louisiana for some semblance of a fair life in the north after having been stolen from and lied to by his racist employer.
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The Way The Nation Has Turned Out | Techdirt

    I would be among the 71%. If you look at us now and compare us to the past we have become a lazy, arrogant, and stupid people. And the goverment has done many things that are unconstitutional (ex secret laws). Do you think they would be dissaponted in us, and is so why?
    I don't see why that matters. They were hypocrites and liars. They violated the Constitution the second it was put into effect, stabbed their only allies at the time in the back to do business and trade with the very people who wanted to prevent us from becoming a nation, and spoke of liberty while keeping men as property. Jefferson himself even stated that he wouldn't give up his slaves, because that would mean giving up his life of luxury. We elevate these men up high on the level of being gods, but they were just fallible men who happened to get a lot of things wrong in the beginning. We're still fixing their mistakes to this day.

    However, yes, they would probably be disappointed. We became a great world superpower just as their enemy, Great Britain, once was. We've taken colonies, entered the global market, and have become heavily entangled in foreign affairs. We've also heavily modified the original system of government, and have allowed all US Citizens to vote, which was never the founders intention. They viewed the public as stupid and selfish, with a complete and total lack of public virtue (sacrificing ones own wants for the greater good), which is exactly why only wealthy land owners were allowed to vote. Today we are no longer a republic with democratic elements, but a liberal democracy with remnants of the old republic. We've completely stripped and destroyed the government they created, but whether or not that's a good thing has yet to be decided.
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The Way The Nation Has Turned Out | Techdirt

    I would be among the 71%. If you look at us now and compare us to the past we have become a lazy, arrogant, and stupid people. And the goverment has done many things that are unconstitutional (ex secret laws). Do you think they would be dissaponted in us, and is so why?
    I guess that would depend on which "Founding Fathers" you are referring to. Perhaps Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay, authors of the Federalist Papers and prime movers behind the shanghied "Constitutional Convention" would be happy. I'd even add Benjamin Franklin.

    However, if you asked Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, James Monroe, Patrick Henry, and a number of others of like mind, probably not.
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    they didnt gain independence from UK to be another imperialist l think

    those fathers seem lovely when they are compared to many presidents
    Idk, Thomas Jefferson wanted the Spanish Empire to fail so the US could "gain it from them piece by piece"

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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    There are fewer starving people in the world today than ever, and most of those are for political reasons rather than agricultural. While I was a child we expected the world to end any second when for some stupid reasons the Ruskies went nuclear, a long distance call cost nearly what my cell phone bill costs now. I see the world and the US getting better. Could be wrong, but at least I am happy. I agree the music was better back then, but then again we have Thursday night football now.
    I envy your positive attitude. I'm glad you're happy.

    I probably need to work on that....

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