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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I find the 2 party system divisive too however what's really come to my realization due to my own study of understanding "the whys" behind the news headlines; the reactions to the OJ Simpson verdict, 9/11 and more troubling its celebration in Islamic countries, the election of Barrack Obama to the White House and the utter outrage it triggered even before he won, etc. etc. etc., is human beings seem to have an innate tendency toward tribalism. People tend to identify with and see themselves as members of groups or tribes. These groups can be political, ethnic, cultural, religious, sports team supporters, whatever. Then once they've identified with their group, the definitions or right and wrong take on type of mob mentality. Objectivity goes out the window and good, right or even better, entitled and superior become defined on the basis on membership (in good standing) with the group as well as being marked as a foe by being perceived as a member of an opposition group.

    The short version is people will gravitate to tribalism. The 2 party system is in many ways a joke such as The Republican Heritage Foundation coming up with the idea of an individual mandate for healthcare coverage but a Democrat implements a Republican idea and he's a socialist. There are all kinds of other examples. I am of the view that the 2 party system pacifies the need for tribalism in the human psyche politically in America. If the parties were done away with I fear a vacuum would be created and would be filled with a political tribalism based upon geographic region and would threaten to literally break apart the country.
    Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with what you are saying, but what I am saying is that there needs to be a two party system (dems and GOP) PLUS relevant and threatening third parties. This would diversify the choice and only better american politics.
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with what you are saying, but what I am saying is that there needs to be a two party system (dems and GOP) PLUS relevant and threatening third parties. This would diversify the choice and only better american politics.
    Agree. I also would love to start seeing a Third-Party Candidates nationally televised debate on one or more of the cable news channels where the Libertarian debates the Green Party nominee and maybe add any Independent candidate.
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Yes, they would be disappointed if they got read-in on all of our dirty secrets and history that has transpired since their collective deaths. I imagine they wouldn't be fond of women's and black's positions in society today. Nor all the fuss about homosexuals. All of the clandestine agencies that on a daily basis rape the Constitution and Bill of Rights, they'd likely push for a revolution from that tyranny. I'm sure they would not be fond of the Federal Reserve. The size of our government would displease them. The power certain corporations wield over the government would anger them. Some of the science we do would be called out as an abomination. They would likely find faults with our media, entertainment, education, sexual activities, parenting, farming, criminal justice and legal system.

    There would be an abundance of criticism coming from them.
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Agree. I also would love to start seeing a Third-Party Candidates nationally televised debate on one or more of the cable news channels where the Libertarian debates the Green Party nominee and maybe add any Independent candidate.
    I think it's ridiculous that 3rd parties can't participate in the main debates unless they receive a certain amount of votes the year before. The people deserve to hear all their options, I would LOVE to see Green Party or Libertarians in the debates. It would only make it that much better.
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I think it's ridiculous that 3rd parties can't participate in the main debates unless they receive a certain amount of votes the year before. The people deserve to hear all their options, I would LOVE to see Green Party or Libertarians in the debates. It would only make it that much better.
    In the meantime, if theres no agreement from the GOP and DNC candidates, let them debate each other. I bet once the ratings prove to be a big draw and then get some vote, it probably wouldn't be long before we'd break the monopoly of the 2 parties. ...And we'd need to start talking about a runoff system and probably doing away with the Electoral College.
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with what you are saying, but what I am saying is that there needs to be a two party system (dems and GOP) PLUS relevant and threatening third parties. This would diversify the choice and only better american politics.
    Too bad were down to a one party system with two wings. Those who want big government (the GOP) and those who want even bigger government the democratic socialists.

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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    In the meantime, if theres no agreement from the GOP and DNC candidates, let them debate each other. I bet once the ratings prove to be a big draw and then get some vote, it probably wouldn't be long before we'd break the monopoly of the 2 parties. ...And we'd need to start talking about a runoff system and probably doing away with the Electoral College.
    Unfortunately there were several 3rd party debates last election, but none got coverage minus a streaming online. It would take a large news group to sack up in order for this break through to occur.
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain View Post
    Too bad were down to a one party system with two wings. Those who want big government (the GOP) and those who want even bigger government the democratic socialists.
    I couldn't agree more. I honestly was expecting Gary Johnson to carry a lot more of the vote than he did.
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Unfortunately there were several 3rd party debates last election, but none got coverage minus a streaming online. It would take a large news group to sack up in order for this break through to occur.
    Really? I had no idea. Were they like primary debates where members of the same party debated each other or more like a general election debate where the Libertarian debated the Green party in October?
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    Re: 71% Of Americans Believe The Founding Fathers Would Be Disappointed At The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Really? I had no idea. Were they like primary debates where members of the same party debated each other or more like a general election debate where the Libertarian debated the Green party in October?
    Like primary ones. Formatted quite differently than the ones between Dems and Republicans simply because there were four speakers, Virgil Goode, Jill Stein, Rocky Anderson, and Gary Johnson from the Constitution Party, Green Party, Justice Party, and Libertarian Party respectively. They were all posed a question and it went right down the line, each had a rough 3 minutes (possibly more?) to respond. Very small and the only reason I found it was because I followed Gary Johnson and Jill Stein on twitter.

    2012 Third Party Presidential Debate | 2012 Third Party Presidential Debate | Ora TV - YouTube

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