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  • Iím one of the 15% - 20% who think it is working properly.

    3 6.82%
  • Iím one of the 15% - 20% but think any problems can easily be fixed.

    2 4.55%
  • Iím among the 15% - 20% but think itís not the system itís the party running it.

    1 2.27%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but think itís not the system but the people running it.

    17 38.64%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but donít think there is anything we can do about it.

    3 6.82%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but donít think thereís enough support to reinvent it.

    7 15.91%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% and am willing to act, just waiting for the right time.

    8 18.18%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but just donít give a crap.

    0 0%
  • Iím not American, and not that concernd about your mess.

    3 6.82%
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
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    I very much like representative democracy and separation of powers. They are a good way to keep power from concentrating in too few hands. It's capitalism that's the problem. It's the money in politics. It's that our representatives and our elections are for sale. The system of government is pretty good, though certainly not perfect. Allowing it to be sold to the highest bidder is what is destroying it. The closest poll choice I will do is the "Iím among the 80% - 85% but think itís not the system but the people running it." choice, but it's not really the people running it that I object to. It's the people who own it.



    I don't know what "neoliberalism" is or what it has to do with your comment, but the rest of it is spot on.
    It is a word rarely heard of in the US even though the policies gave birth here under Milton Friedman in the University of Chicago. These polices were first spread in Latin America. Chile was the experimental ground after the US CIA staged a coup against Salvador Allende. The dictator Pinochet was put in place to help install these policies whether the people of that country liked it or not. The first step was to eliminate any competing organizations (anything that competed with corporate interest) like trade unions through murder and imprisonment. The next step was to privatize as many public institutions as possible, to take as many nationalized resources as possible and open them to corporations and corporate interest for the purpose of profit. The next step was to decentralize the government or at least use the word "decentralize" because even if things were decided in a local area, they were really decided/controlled through the central government (with people put into power/and or answered to in these local places by Pinochet and his top layer of government.) And, naturally the welfare state was scaled back next to nothing. What happened was mass poverty (nearly half the population which started at 17% poverty ended up impoverishing 49% of the population) when the market hit a bust. This of course just a small history but there are so many good books that talk about these polices which our world institutions have adopted.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I disagree. A landlord is still subject to the laws of the government. For example, the government forbids, say, murder. If a landlord truly were a government, he could declare murder legal in his "country". He can't.

    Because he's not a government.
    So since state and local govts are subject to the federal govt then they are not govts? Interesting.
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Well, if you call rent taxes then I can see why you believe what you believe. I don't consider a landlord to be a government. Maybe when I hear renters regularly refer to their rent as taxes I'll change my mind.
    Maybe you could explain how rent is different from other taxes (besides in name).
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    What is up with the percentages?
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Maybe you could explain how rent is different from other taxes (besides in name).
    Rent is taxable income for those who receive it.
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Rent is taxable income for those who receive it.
    Sure, its taxable, but that doesn't change the nature of rent. A federal govt may pass a law requiring local govts to contribute a certain percent to its coffers, but it does not change the fact that individuals still pay taxes to the local govts.

    Now, I don't know what Federalist's specific stance is on taxing the landlord, but the stance of Austrians/anarcho-capitalists is quite clear: no tax on land rent income.
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