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  • Iím one of the 15% - 20% who think it is working properly.

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  • Iím one of the 15% - 20% but think any problems can easily be fixed.

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  • Iím among the 15% - 20% but think itís not the system itís the party running it.

    1 2.27%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but think itís not the system but the people running it.

    17 38.64%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but donít think there is anything we can do about it.

    3 6.82%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but donít think thereís enough support to reinvent it.

    7 15.91%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% and am willing to act, just waiting for the right time.

    8 18.18%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but just donít give a crap.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't require my guests to sign contracts with specific clauses to stay in my home (no extra laws) - nor do I charge them rent to stay there (no taxes).
    You choose not to do so, but, as a homeowner, you have the power to do so if you wish.

    So I still don't see how a landlord has any special powers over and above the rest of us.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    You choose not to do so, but, as a homeowner, you have the power to do so if you wish.

    So I still don't see how a landlord has any special powers over and above the rest of us.
    Any of us with land can be landlords under the right conditions. Have you never thought of yourself that way?

    I've paid my freedom tax, or to be more precise, I am paying my freedom tax - since I still owe the bank a little for the house. That's one of the options in the article, a one-time freedom tax from slavery. At some point, I'll own my house and be truly free - though, to be honest, I passed that point long ago. I could have owned my first house by now. Still doesn't change the point of the article.
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Any of us with land can be landlords under the right conditions. Have you never thought of yourself that way?

    I've paid my freedom tax, or to be more precise, I am paying my freedom tax - since I still owe the bank a little for the house. That's one of the options in the article, a one-time freedom tax from slavery. At some point, I'll own my house and be truly free.
    I'm still not seeing how a landlord is a government, if he must obey city, county, state, and federal laws. It sounds to me like a landlord is simply another citizen just like everyone else.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I'm still not seeing how a landlord is a government, if he must obey city, county, state, and federal laws. It sounds to me like a landlord is simply another citizen just like everyone else.
    Cities have to obey federal, state, and county laws. And ...?

    A landlord is a land owner, not just "another citizen". More specifically, a landlord is a person who rents out his property.
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    A landlord is a land owner, not just "another citizen". More specifically, a landlord is a person who rents out his property.
    And this makes him a government how?

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    When all they do is support the interest of foreigners and foreign criminals in USA.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    And this makes him a government how?
    He collects taxes and makes laws.
    As a simple homeowner I don't do either.
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    He collects taxes and makes laws.
    As a simple homeowner I don't do either.
    Well, if you call rent taxes then I can see why you believe what you believe. I don't consider a landlord to be a government. Maybe when I hear renters regularly refer to their rent as taxes I'll change my mind.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Well, if you call rent taxes then I can see why you believe what you believe. I don't consider a landlord to be a government. Maybe when I hear renters regularly refer to their rent as taxes I'll change my mind.
    The article in question calls them that and that's what we've been discussing. I'm sorry you apparently got off course.

    Many libertarians overlook the fact that a landlord is a government. The more territory a landlord controls, the more obvious it is that a landlord is a government (in fact, that is the origin of the word “landlord”). Within the territory he controls, a landlord collects taxes (which he calls by the euphemism of “rent”), and makes laws (which he calls by the euphemism of “lease conditions”).
    In addition, some landlords have their own security guards to defend their territory, just as city and state levels of government have their own police, or a national level of government has its own military. Some landlords also have their own arbitration process, just as other levels of government have their own court systems.

    We're all forced to pay landlords one way or another, unless we happen to inherit land from our parents before or when we become adults.
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    This. I support our form of government, because I've not heard anything better proposed.

    That certainly doesn't mean we don't have problems, but I don't see them as being nearly as severe as some others do, and I think they're fixable, if people only cared enough.
    I don't mean to sound pessimistic but the term Totalitarian democracy comes to my mind when we discuss what form of democracy we have. I have many reasons for this but mostly because we have little participation in the decision making regardless of who we choose to represent us.

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