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  • Iím one of the 15% - 20% who think it is working properly.

    3 6.82%
  • Iím one of the 15% - 20% but think any problems can easily be fixed.

    2 4.55%
  • Iím among the 15% - 20% but think itís not the system itís the party running it.

    1 2.27%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but think itís not the system but the people running it.

    17 38.64%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but donít think there is anything we can do about it.

    3 6.82%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but donít think thereís enough support to reinvent it.

    7 15.91%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% and am willing to act, just waiting for the right time.

    8 18.18%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but just donít give a crap.

    0 0%
  • Iím not American, and not that concernd about your mess.

    3 6.82%
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Good try at sidestepping the issue!
    Sidestepping? Not really. The poster claimed that a landlord is a government. This obviously is not true, since the landlord is SUBJECT TO the laws of the government. A landlord is simply not a government. The notion is ridiculous.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Sidestepping? Not really. The poster claimed that a landlord is a government. This obviously is not true, since the landlord is SUBJECT TO the laws of the government. A landlord is simply not a government. The notion is ridiculous.
    If you read the article then you're well aware it concerned economies as well as additional "laws" the landlord adds. You yourself have said you understand and agree that a landlord can "do what he wants" on his own property - and we've always understood YOU to mean "except for that which violates criminal law". Why would you not accept the same caveat when someone else expresses their views?


    Are you saying there's some other economic choice for residence other those presented in the article???
    Are you saying a landlord can't make additional laws for his own property???
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If you read the article then you're well aware it concerned economies as well as additional "laws" the landlord adds. You yourself have said you understand and agree that a landlord can "do what he wants" on his own property - and we've always understood YOU to mean "except for that which violates criminal law". Why would you not accept the same caveat when someone else expresses their views?
    Because the poster is claiming that a landlord is a government.

    A landlord is not a government. A landlord can't do whatever he wants on his own property. He can't rape people. He can't murder people. And on and on. A landlord simply owns land and controls who may access that land and under what conditions that access is allowed.

    Are you saying there's some other economic choice for residence other those presented in the article???
    Are you saying a landlord can't make additional laws for his own property???
    A person who owns land controls who may access that property and sets the conditions under which that access is allowed.

    This does not make a person who owns land a government.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Because the poster is claiming that a landlord is a government.

    A landlord is not a government. A landlord can't do whatever he wants on his own property. He can't rape people. He can't murder people. And on and on. A landlord simply owns land and controls who may access that land and under what conditions that access is allowed.



    A person who owns land controls who may access that property and sets the conditions under which that access is allowed.

    This does not make a person who owns land a government.
    Would you call a State a government???
    How about a county?
    A city?
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Would you call a State a government???
    How about a county?
    A city?
    Yes, to all.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yes, to all.
    But they have to follow Fed laws, then State laws, too, then county laws in addition to all the rest, respectively.

    You've just torpedoed your own argument. Obviously, landlords are a government even though they have to follow the laws of the governments "above" them, just like State, county, and city governments.
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    But they have to follow Fed laws, then State laws, too, then county laws in addition to all the rest, respectively.

    You've just torpedoed your own argument. Obviously, landlords are a government.
    I see. So a landlord is a government that has to follow federal, state, county, and municipal laws.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I see. So a landlord is a government that has to follow federal, state, county, and municipal laws.
    You said a city is a government - and all cities have to follow Fed, State, and County laws - so, yes, landlords are governments. They might even be as high in the government food chain as cities if their property is located in the unincorporated part of the county instead of in a city.
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You said a city is a government - and all cities have to follow Fed, State, and County laws - so, yes, landlords are governments. They might even be as high in the government food chain as cities if their property isn't located in a city but in the unincorporated part of the county.
    So if a landlord must obey city, county, state, and federal law, what governmental powers does he have exactly, over and above, say a regular run-of-the-mill homeowner?

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So if a landlord must obey city, county, state, and federal law, what governmental powers does he have exactly, over and above, say a regular run-of-the-mill homeowner?
    I don't require my guests to sign contracts with specific clauses to stay in my home (no extra laws) - nor do I charge them rent to stay there (no taxes).
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