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  • Iím one of the 15% - 20% who think it is working properly.

    3 6.82%
  • Iím one of the 15% - 20% but think any problems can easily be fixed.

    2 4.55%
  • Iím among the 15% - 20% but think itís not the system itís the party running it.

    1 2.27%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but think itís not the system but the people running it.

    17 38.64%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but donít think there is anything we can do about it.

    3 6.82%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but donít think thereís enough support to reinvent it.

    7 15.91%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% and am willing to act, just waiting for the right time.

    8 18.18%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but just donít give a crap.

    0 0%
  • Iím not American, and not that concernd about your mess.

    3 6.82%
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    That is a serious national problem, IMO.
    We need a better people.
    They must learn "compromise", its meaning and use..
    Nonsense. What possible "compromise" can be made when one party wishes to grant 11 million people amnesty after violating our immigration laws and the other party does not? These 11 million people did not simply "slip through the cracks" they were allowed to remain unmolested by design. Our immigraton "enforcement" consists mainly of 20K border patrol agents to cover 2% of the nation and 5K ICE agents to cover the other 98% of the nation. It is rediculously easy for any illegal alien to get a job, send their kids to school, get free emergency medical care, rent/buy property and even to get a driver's permit.
    ďThe reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.Ē ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    That is a serious national problem, IMO.
    We need a better people.
    They must learn "compromise", its meaning and use..
    Yes, it bears constant repeating: It is unjustified to initiate violence. Sadly, governments are some of the greatest offenders when it comes to initiating violence.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    I don't.

    Direct voting is the only way to go.
    Last edited by DA60; 07-14-13 at 02:39 PM.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I don't.

    Direct voting is the only way to go.
    By direct voting do you mean a vote on each of the bills, amendments and other items that the senate and congress acts on. If you do, how many people will you employ to read and study the thousands of pieces of paperwork that you must deal with?

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    ďDemocracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.Ē - Churchill
    According to 'libertarian' Hans Herman Hoppe, monarchy is the best form of government. Lol.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nonsense. What possible "compromise" can be made when one party wishes to grant 11 million people amnesty after violating our immigration laws and the other party does not? These 11 million people did not simply "slip through the cracks" they were allowed to remain unmolested by design. Our immigraton "enforcement" consists mainly of 20K border patrol agents to cover 2% of the nation and 5K ICE agents to cover the other 98% of the nation. It is rediculously easy for any illegal alien to get a job, send their kids to school, get free emergency medical care, rent/buy property and even to get a driver's permit.
    In 2016, the GOP will have suddenly changed their mind. I think we both know that if they need it to win the White House, they'll do whatever it takes.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    According to 'libertarian' Hans Herman Hoppe, monarchy is the best form of government. Lol.
    This is why I don't trust the label of "libertarian." It means whatever anybody wants it to mean.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    This is why I don't trust the label of "libertarian." It means whatever anybody wants it to mean.
    After recently debating 'libertarians' who supported the Drug War, Iraq War, and PRISM I happen to agree.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    According to 'libertarian' Hans Herman Hoppe, monarchy is the best form of government. Lol.
    No. According to Hoppe, the preferred system of governance would be as described in his book Democracy the God that Failed:

    In conjunction with the privatization of all assets according to the principles outlined, the government should adopt a private property constitution and declare it to be the immutable basic law for the entire country. This constitution should be extremely brief and lay down the following principles in terms as unambiguous as possible: Every person, apart from being the sole owner of his physical body, has the right to employ his private property in any way he sees fit so long as in so doing he does not uninvitedly change the physical integrity of another person's body or property. All interpersonal exchanges and all exchanges of property titles between private owners are to be voluntary (contractual). These rights of a person are absolute. Any person's infringement on them is subject to lawful prosecution by the victim of this infringement or his agent, and is actionable in accordance with the principles of proportionality of punishment and strict liability.

    As implied by this constitution, then, all existing wage and price controls, all property regulations and licensing requirements, and all import and export restrictions should be immediately abolished and complete freedom of contract, occupation, trade and migration introduced. Subsequently, the government, now propertyless, should declare its own continued existence unconstitutional -- insofar as it depends on noncontractual property acquisitions, that is, taxation -- and abdicate.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    No. According to Hoppe, the preferred system of governance would be as described in his book Democracy the God that Failed:
    Hoppe's ideal form of govt:

    In a covenant founded for the purpose of protecting family and kin, there can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting life-styles incompatible with this goal. They – the advocates of alternative, non-family and kin-centred lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism – will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order.
    Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Democracy: The God That Failed: The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy and Natural Order, Transaction Publishers, 2001, pp. 216-218
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
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