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  • Iím one of the 15% - 20% who think it is working properly.

    3 6.82%
  • Iím one of the 15% - 20% but think any problems can easily be fixed.

    2 4.55%
  • Iím among the 15% - 20% but think itís not the system itís the party running it.

    1 2.27%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but think itís not the system but the people running it.

    17 38.64%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but donít think there is anything we can do about it.

    3 6.82%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but donít think thereís enough support to reinvent it.

    7 15.91%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% and am willing to act, just waiting for the right time.

    8 18.18%
  • Iím among the 80% - 85% but just donít give a crap.

    0 0%
  • Iím not American, and not that concernd about your mess.

    3 6.82%
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Which is exactly what I said in my first post ...
    Okay, I walked down the trail into that one. LOL
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Didn't realize you were online. I'll repost my edit to the first part so you can respond if you wish ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    No, but I am a poor individual who has barely enough money for my own needs, and can't afford the time or gas money to try to knock on every door in my voting district. Besides, knocking doesn't guarantee an answer, nor does proselytizing (online or in person) guarantee an audience.
    Proselytizing is not required, just a simple statement of facts. As a wordsmith you don't have to campaign one way or the other about an issue, though many often do give their opinion toward the end of a factual article. When David Gewirtz writes his articles about security issues and/or government on ZDNet I trust the information he's giving me even if, at the end, he also gives an opinion I don't support. Many good news sources are like that, most commonly the ones dealing with specific issues.

    In Missouri, the MO Bar comes out each year with opinions on the judges we'll be voting to keep. These opinions are from both the prosecuting and defense attorney's so it's a fairly balanced view. It's seldom that they disagree about the competency of a judge, though they might disagree about their lean.
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Didn't realize you were online. I'll repost my edit to the first part so you can respond if you wish ...

    Proselytizing is not required, just a simple statement of facts. As a wordsmith you don't have to campaign one way or the other about an issue, though many often do give their opinion toward the end of a factual article. When David Gewirtz writes his articles about security issues and/or government on ZDNet I trust the information he's giving me even if, at the end, he also gives an opinion I don't support. Many good news sources are like that, most commonly the ones dealing with specific issues.

    In Missouri, the MO Bar comes out each year with opinions on the judges we'll be voting to keep. These opinions are from both the prosecuting and defense attorney's so it's a fairly balanced view. It's seldom that they disagree about the competency of a judge, though they might disagree about their lean.
    But our arguments are based on the same premise; our population is neither informed, nor is it motivated to become and remain informed. Couple this with the fact the main sources of information provide skewed viewpoints, often in support of one side or the other of our current two party system, nothing will change.

    There simply aren't enough people who do try to stay informed to sway the rest by our efforts. I was asking HOW under such circumstances. Your response was by going out and informing. That's why I replied people who try don't have the resources to compete with those in power who do have such resources. They may try but it's like a mouse squeeking in the middle of a thunderstorm.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    But our arguments are based on the same premise; our population is neither informed, nor is it motivated to become and remain informed. Couple this with the fact the main sources of information provide skewed viewpoints, often in support of one side or the other of our current two party system, nothing will change.

    There simply aren't enough people who do try to stay informed to sway the rest by our efforts. I was asking HOW under such circumstances. Your response was by going out and informing. That's why I replied people who try don't have the resources to compete with those in power who do have such resources. They may try but it's like a mouse squeeking in the middle of a thunderstorm.
    Informing, yes, but those who can really don't have to "go out" to do it. It doesn't take much to sit down and write out a synopsis of something you're already reading for yourself.

    As far as the power of that relatively unbiased information, it all comes back to the apathy of the voters. We can blame the problems on "government" (whatever that might mean), or business, or special interest, or anything else we can dream up but the bottom line is that we, as a People, have simply ceased to care and we've been this way for so long that - sadly - it's almost second nature at this point. How to get out of the rut is one thing, who/what is to "blame" is another - but it's the topic you picked. I stick with my original statement; The system isn't flawed, the people are.



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    How have we gotten this way? One problem is commercialism. We're so hung up on acquiring more things that we've forgotten to be people. Eight hours a day most of us are told we can't socialize, yet that is the very fabric of civilization. As many good companies have found out, sometimes the hard way, socialization often increases production instead of decreasing it - yet most companies have issues with people "wasting time".

    Another problem is mobility. A large chunk of the population move around a lot and only the most enlightened of them will take the time to research a "local" political issue because, chances are, they won't be around long enough for it to make a difference to them - or they're so new to the area they don't understand it's background and implications. Chances are they're voting the party line of they're voting with their neighbors.
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    I'd be among the minority. Most of the ideas put forth by those dissatisfied are markedly worse and frankly naive in many circumstances.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    The root of all our problems right now is neoliberalism and a privatized financial system.
    I disagree. I think the root of our problems is that some people think that their choices should be forcibly imposed on otherwise uninvolved third parties.

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    People seem to have a lot of faith in Polls and Statistics. Recently, several polls have indicated somewhere between 15% and 20% of the American people still have faith in the workings of our government.
    Did I miss the part of the OP where these poll results were linked to?
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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    no vote
    there is such a thing as too many, confusing selections
    Our government is OK , but can be greatly improved.
    campaign finance reform
    campaign reform
    a four (4) year term for representatives
    the huge sums of money - out

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I disagree. I think the root of our problems is that some people think that their choices should be forcibly imposed on otherwise uninvolved third parties.
    That is a serious national problem, IMO.
    We need a better people.
    They must learn "compromise", its meaning and use..

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    Re: Why do you still support our system of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Informing, yes, but those who can really don't have to "go out" to do it. It doesn't take much to sit down and write out a synopsis of something you're already reading for yourself.

    As far as the power of that relatively unbiased information, it all comes back to the apathy of the voters. We can blame the problems on "government" (whatever that might mean), or business, or special interest, or anything else we can dream up but the bottom line is that we, as a People, have simply ceased to care and we've been this way for so long that - sadly - it's almost second nature at this point. How to get out of the rut is one thing, who/what is to "blame" is another - but it's the topic you picked. I stick with my original statement; The system isn't flawed, the people are.



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    How have we gotten this way? One problem is commercialism. We're so hung up on acquiring more things that we've forgotten to be people. Eight hours a day most of us are told we can't socialize, yet that is the very fabric of civilization. As many good companies have found out, sometimes the hard way, socialization often increases production instead of decreasing it - yet most companies have issues with people "wasting time".

    Another problem is mobility. A large chunk of the population move around a lot and only the most enlightened of them will take the time to research a "local" political issue because, chances are, they won't be around long enough for it to make a difference to them - or they're so new to the area they don't understand it's background and implications. Chances are they're voting the party line of they're voting with their neighbors.
    A very strong "like" .
    We need more education and less entertainment...The two can be cleverly "mixed" .
    It will take an expert to do this..
    The colleges MAY have failed ??

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