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    re: If someone only molest young boys is he gay, a pedohile or both. [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Just so you know, straight people molest those of the same sex all the time. Prison is one place it happens frequently. Being gay is about who you are attracted to primarily.
    Apparently they're bi-curious. If you have sexual relations with someone of your same gender, you by the very definition, are at least bisexual. heterosexual, by definition, is off the table.

    It doesn't magically become gay on someone's 13th birthday.
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    re: If someone only molest young boys is he gay, a pedohile or both. [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    LOL, so if you're molesting a boy, it's not gay until his 13th birthday, then you're gay as hell!

    Bahahahahaha.
    You're just being silly. Now I am not going to pretend to be either a psychologist or a psychiatrist. I have neither the specialized training, nor the inclination. However, as a lawyer with an interest in criminal law I try to keep up on recent liturature in the field, and am doing my best to intepret it in the forum. If it were court, I would dicuss the evidence with an expert witness and let him/her present it.

    It's my understanding that it's very rare, (but not unheard of) for a pedophile to engage in such activities with both children and adults (i.e. fully functional sexual beings) of the same sex. Typically, a pedophile will portray a heterosexual role in order to blend in, sort of like camoflage for his true intentions. This allows him to date women, marry, and even have children. He may or may not molest his own children, but otherwise he will focus his efforts on the type of child he developed a preference for while himself a pre-teen.

    The exact cause of this childhood fixation remains unclear, so far as I understand. Perhaps it is psychological imprinting on a happy period in the individual's life, or even some kind of hormonal imbalace, I don't know. But the "fixation" on prepubescent children is what is causing it to be considered a possible orientation.

    Also, you are confusing "molestation" with pedophilia; a person can be a "molester" while not being a pedophile. For example, he can prey on juveniles who are under the legal age of consent but still older than 13, it would depend on state law. A pedophile always preys on pre-teens so he is always BOTH a molester and a pedophile.
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    re: If someone only molest young boys is he gay, a pedohile or both. [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Apparently they're bi-curious. If you have sexual relations with someone of your same gender, you by the very definition, are at least bisexual. heterosexual, by definition, is off the table.

    It doesn't magically become gay on someone's 13th birthday.
    You do not understand the difference between orientation and action. It is very large and unsubtle. Simplest description: orientation is who you are attracted to, actions are who you engage is sex with. You do not have to be attracted to some one to have sex with them,
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    re: If someone only molest young boys is he gay, a pedohile or both. [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You do not understand the difference between orientation and action. It is very large and unsubtle. Simplest description: orientation is who you are attracted to, actions are who you engage is sex with. You do not have to be attracted to some one to have sex with them,
    So you're trying to say pedophiles aren't attracted to children? They are both attracted to them AND engage in actions. So I have absolutely no idea what point you were trying to make.
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    re: If someone only molest young boys is he gay, a pedohile or both. [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, there is a difference between sexual orientation and pedophilia. They are not the same thing. Most men who molest boys are heterosexual.
    If they molest boys they are no longer heterosexual. Here we go again, not all gay men are pedophiles, but all men the crave have sex with boys are GAY. Actions speak louder that words.

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    re: If someone only molest young boys is he gay, a pedohile or both. [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    If they molest boys they are no longer heterosexual. Here we go again, not all gay men are pedophiles, but all men the crave have sex with boys are GAY. Actions speak louder that words.
    I understand your position, because you believe this kind of action, like homosexuality, is purely a choice. As if a heterosexual man minding his own business, married, family of his own, suddenly looked up one day and said "Hey! How about I start messing with little prepubescent boys from now on? That sounds like a novel and well-considered idea." And off he goes....

    Those of us who believe sexual orientation is not a choice, will of course disagree with you. If he was truly heterosexual he would only focus on "adult" (i.e. mature, sexually functional) females. If he were homosexual he would only focus on "adult" (i.e. mature, sexually functional) males, and if he were bisexual he would be happy with "adult" (i.e. mature, sexually funtional) members of either sex.

    Pedophiles focus only on children (i.e. immature, and sexually non-funtional). Why is still under study.
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    re: If someone only molest young boys is he gay, a pedohile or both. [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I understand your position, because you believe this kind of action, like homosexuality, is purely a choice. As if a heterosexual man minding his own business, married, family of his own, suddenly looked up one day and said "Hey! How about I start messing with little prepubescent boys from now on? That sounds like a novel and well-considered idea." And off he goes....

    Those of us who believe sexual orientation is not a choice, will of course disagree with you. If he was truly heterosexual he would only focus on "adult" (i.e. mature, sexually functional) females. If he were homosexual he would only focus on "adult" (i.e. mature, sexually functional) males, and if he were bisexual he would be happy with "adult" (i.e. mature, sexually funtional) members of either sex.

    Pedophiles focus only on children (i.e. immature, and sexually non-funtional). Why is still under study.
    I would agree with you were it not for a local teacher that was always being watched that ended living with two of the boys after they turned 18. He was questioned twice on record and there was not enough evidence to charge him. By law he was a pedophile, his orientation as you call it is homesexual.

    So according to you: He is a pedophile when chasing them in school, but after they are 18 he is no longer a pedophile but just gay.

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    re: If someone only molest young boys is he gay, a pedohile or both. [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I would agree with you were it not for a local teacher that was always being watched that ended living with two of the boys after they turned 18. He was questioned twice on record and there was not enough evidence to charge him. By law he was a pedophile, his orientation as you call it is homesexual.

    So according to you: He is a pedophile when chasing them in school, but after they are 18 he is no longer a pedophile but just gay.
    Well, I am not familiar with any "case" involving this, perhaps if you can provide a legal citation?

    In any case, this teacher would only be a "pedophile" if he started with both boys when they were 13 or under. Do you have evidence that this was the case?

    I seem to recall that someone already went over this with you here?

    It is NOT "pedophilia" if the activity involves juveniles over the age of 13. It would be child sexual abuse in any state while the boys were 14 or 15.

    However, in 31 states the legal age of consent is 16, in eight (8) others it is 17, and only in eleven (11) is it 18. So it would depend on when the sexual interaction occurred depending on each state as to whether or not this would amount to child sexual abuse.

    However, most states do have laws preventing authority figures like teachers and coaches from engaging in such activity while the young men are under their care. Apparently the two young men do not wish to provide evidence of such activity? Oh well...I guess they are content with what occurred, if anything, before they turned 18.

    P.S. Most states with those "authority figure" laws would still allow the youths to press charges within a statute of limitations period if they provided evidence after turning 18 but still within the limitations period which would typically start from the last act of sexual abuse prior to age 18.
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    re: If someone only molest young boys is he gay, a pedohile or both. [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Well, I am not familiar with any "case" involving this, perhaps if you can provide a legal citation?

    In any case, this teacher would only be a "pedophile" if he started with both boys when they were 13 or under. Do you have evidence that this was the case?

    I seem to recall that someone already went over this with you here?

    It is NOT "pedophilia" if the activity involves juveniles over the age of 13. It would be child sexual abuse in any state while the boys were 14 or 15.

    However, in 31 states the legal age of consent is 16, in eight (8) others it is 17, and only in eleven (11) is it 18. So it would depend on when the sexual interaction occurred depending on each state as to whether or not this would amount to child sexual abuse.

    However, most states do have laws preventing authority figures like teachers and coaches from engaging in such activity while the young men are under their care. Apparently the two young men do not wish to provide evidence of such activity? Oh well...I guess they are content with what occurred, if anything, before they turned 18.

    P.S. Most states with those "authority figure" laws would still allow the youths to press charges within a statute of limitations period if they provided evidence after turning 18 but still within the limitations period which would typically start from the last act of sexual abuse prior to age 18.
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    re: If someone only molest young boys is he gay, a pedohile or both. [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by navy pride View Post
    what do you think?
    response: Both.

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