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Thread: Support government surveillance on citizens or sharply curtail Mid-East immigration?

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    Re: Support government surveillance on citizens or sharply curtail Mid-East immigrati

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    More thorough background checks on anyone who travels internationally to the region or any region known for high amounts of terrorism.

    If you have family in Riyadh, I have no problem with you getting to the airport 8 hours ahead of your departure time and preparing for a TSA agent to crawl up your ass sideways.
    TSA should be abolished, and you may not infringe so grievously against one's rights and dignity without proof.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Support government surveillance on citizens or sharply curtail Mid-East immigrati

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Now France is reported to have illegally spied on its citizens.
    I know this isn't the intent of your thread, but seriously... the list of nations that DOESN'T spy on it's own citizens is probably the shorter list. If not literally non-existent.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Support government surveillance on citizens or sharply curtail Mid-East immigrati

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I know this isn't the intent of your thread, but seriously... the list of nations that DOESN'T spy on it's own citizens is probably the shorter list. If not literally non-existent.
    Yes, but if our government isn't on that short list, then our government needs to have some serious problems coming its way.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Support government surveillance on citizens or sharply curtail Mid-East immigrati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, but if our government isn't on that short list, then our government needs to have some serious problems coming its way.
    Don't disagree, just making a semi-related observation.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Support government surveillance on citizens or sharply curtail Mid-East immigrati

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Don't disagree, just making a semi-related observation.
    Yes, it is true that no government is trustworthy. No governments were meant to be trustworthy. By their very nature, governments are untrustworthy. Control must be exercised. I don't doubt that other nations spy on their citizens, I just don't think it should be used as any excuse that ours does. Other people's governments are their business, not mine. The American government is my business and right now, it's not upholding its end of the bargain. The spying on other nations, quite honestly I can forgive that. I expect other nations to be trying to spy on us too. Governments are not trustworthy. But them spying on us? That's a different ball game and they must be brought to force. The government needs to understand that in this system IT is the servant, not us.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Support government surveillance on citizens or sharply curtail Mid-East immigrati

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I know this isn't the intent of your thread, but seriously... the list of nations that DOESN'T spy on it's own citizens is probably the shorter list. If not literally non-existent.
    I agree. I guess I'm too idealistic about America and thinking our constitution means something.
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    Re: Support government surveillance on citizens or sharply curtail Mid-East immigrati

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    No one is forced; if they would prefer to not to do so, great, don't come here.

    Or is spying on Americans to see what if any contact we have with people from anti-American regions is going on a better idea?
    We should definitely be very mindful of who we allow into this country. Especially those coming from hostile regions. Profile the **** out of people, regardless of whether it's "racist". Sorry, but if a guy comes here from a little Middle Eastern country that eat sleeps and breathes "death to America", odds are he's more likely to cause trouble than some little old English lady from Manchester. We know the enemy, we know what region they come from, we know their general beliefs, we even know what look like, but we do nothing because we wouldn't want to hurt people's feelings. Bureaucracy at it's finest.

    The huge surveillance program by the NSA is just a useless waste of resources that has proven itself to be ineffective due to its failure to stop the Boston Bombing, and those guys were red flagged by the FBI. Even the Russians informed us that they were no good, yet a bunch of people still got blown up. Could have been prevented if we actually used basic human reasoning skills and kicked those little ****s back to the Kyrgish crap-hole they crawled out of.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Support government surveillance on citizens or sharply curtail Mid-East immigrati

    I think we should monitor all people coming from the Middle East. That being said, most of those migrating are probably the harried remnants of the Christian minority who are the "collateral damage" of the failed American/Israel policy there.....................

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    Re: Support government surveillance on citizens or sharply curtail Mid-East immigrati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    TSA should be abolished, and you may not infringe so grievously against one's rights and dignity without proof.
    I agree with the TSA being abolished, but I don't think extensive and thorough background checks to be "infringing" on anything.

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    Re: Support government surveillance on citizens or sharply curtail Mid-East immigrati

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I agree with the TSA being abolished, but I don't think extensive and thorough background checks to be "infringing" on anything.
    Are you willing to have the TSA crawl up your ass 8 hours before every flight? Or are you really so blind that you think that it will never be turned on you?

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