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Thread: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    perhaps science is winning after all ...that would be a relief ...

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    That isn't exactly true, the social democratic movement happened right after WW2, and prior to that the socialist culture was extremely strong.

    The baby boomers grew up in the 50s and 60s, but were adults in the 1970s, they got into the economy, the late 1970s was the begining of the neo-liberal revolution, and I would argue that that is the time when securalism started to grow.
    Which supports my timeline, the baby boomers grew up Christian in general, and left it at the age when it is most common to change religion, if one is going to change. It was the first generation in which the social welfare state was in full effect when they became adults

    You have to look at this as "the western world" not just the US, it includes europe. I would say you're religious background is something you adopt from your parents, but your religious identity is formed around the teens and 20s.
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    I don't think you can simply look at it from a standpoint of "welfare" vrs "church charity" you have to look at the whole of society, for example, before the university wasn't to make professionals, it was more authentically a place for just higher learning, back then buisinesses were seen as servants of society, nowerdays it's almost the other way around, even though there wasn't an advanced welfare system, there was the real concept of "the commons" that existed and was stripped away with teh neo-liberal revolution.[/QUOTE]

    I was not saying social welfare was the only cause, but a significant one, along with the ideas CC posted. It cut down on the need for the church to be part of peoples lives
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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    How is Christianity "failing"? It's about people, not governments. I live in a heavily Catholic area and I see it's influence in the lives of people all over.

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    How is Christianity "failing"? It's about people, not governments. I live in a heavily Catholic area and I see it's influence in the lives of people all over.
    This apparent stability, however, masks a momentous shift. Although Europe and the Americas still are home to a majority of the world’s Christians (63%), that share is much lower than it was in 1910 (93%). And the proportion of Europeans and Americans who are Christian has dropped from 95% in 1910 to 76% in 2010 in Europe as a whole, and from 96% to 86% in the Americas as a whole.

    Global Christianity - A Report on the Size and Distribution of the World' s Christian Population- Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Christianity failed at the Council of Nicea. It's just taken us 1700 years to realize it.

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Christianity hasn't failed in the west. It is an integral part of western culture and defined it, shaped it and helped it grow.

    the fact that western society is more than just its religious component doesn't mean that Christianity failed. It means that Christianity has succeeded in its purpose of being a helpful element in the development of mankind.

    It is all the other religions in the world, which have oppressed their people and kept them back that have failed. Hinduism, islam, Buddhism, all religions that have taken too much space in the cultural life of a society, impeding it from growing and developing.

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    The media and freedom of speech. But I think the word should be "declined in the West," not "failure."

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I provided a cause as I saw it, but found no poll response that met my position, although Option Three “the Nietzscheite option: Christianity has failed because it is inherently flawed,” came closest.

    I rejected that poll option because I don’t believe it is “innately” flawed, just that most practitioners fail to actually adhere to its ideals. This provides such a poor example to outside observers that they are turning away from it for more Humanist/secular ideals.
    Yours is similar to my position. It's not religion that's innately flawed; it's people.

    Most people are bastards. They just don't have what it takes to understand the core message of a religion, or religious values. In order for a religion to "succeed" (ie as the OP has defined success) it must accept a lot of bastards as its' members. As it continues to "succeed", the ration of bastards to non-bastards tips towards the bastards until eventually, the bastards take over

    And that's when the successful religion starts protecting pedophiles, or banning music, etc which makes people turn away.
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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    But, you see, that isn't true of Christianity. It professes to speak for the weak and the wounded - it is the spiritual equivalent of socialism. Thus my contempt for it.
    You hate the weak and the wounded?

    And, since when has Christianity failed?
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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You hate the weak and the wounded?

    And, since when has Christianity failed?

    We can't go down the road where we ask ourselves "Who are the Christians amongst us ?" because that's where things get really ugly.....................

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