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Thread: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Really? REALLY?!?!

    So you can just go through life being a total A-hole...as long as you (scared of the consequences) "sincerely repent" on your deathbed?

    Thank you for supplying an object example of why Christianity is "failing in the west."
    Since being a A-hole is not a sin, you can go through your whole life and not "sincerely repent" on your death bed and still do fine if you are a Christian.

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Since being a A-hole is not a sin, you can go through your whole life and not "sincerely repent" on your death bed and still do fine if you are a Christian.
    Christianity: the ability to do evil, unimaginable harm to everyone you meet ... just as long as you regret it ... eventually.

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    I'd say that the reason religion, not just Christianity, is failing in the western world is an increase in education, scientific discovery and the realization that people just don't need to be religious to be decent people. It's failing on all counts, that's why people are flooding away from the churches.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    So you can just go through life being a total A-hole...as long as you (scared of the consequences) "sincerely repent" on your deathbed?
    That's exactly what the Bible teaches. Look at the thief on the cross. So long as you honestly ask to be forgiven for your sins, you get out of a lifetime of evil scot free.

    It's amazing how many supposed Christians don't even know their own book.
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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Since being a A-hole is not a sin, you can go through your whole life and not "sincerely repent" on your death bed and still do fine if you are a Christian.
    LOL You really are both "literal-minded" and severely uninformed about your own religion. Besides which, your response does not really answer the actual point being made. Figure it out for yourself because…

    The purpose of this thread was to select one of the reasons the OP thought might be the cause of what he sees as Christianity's failure as a western ideology.

    I provided a cause as I saw it, but found no poll response that met my position, although Option Three “the Nietzscheite option: Christianity has failed because it is inherently flawed,” came closest.

    I rejected that poll option because I don’t believe it is “innately” flawed, just that most practitioners fail to actually adhere to its ideals. This provides such a poor example to outside observers that they are turning away from it for more Humanist/secular ideals.

    If you want to debate the merits of your religious position, open a thread and posit a position and I may choose to participate. Until then I see no reason to engage in a side-track just to satisfy your needs.

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's exactly what the Bible teaches. Look at the thief on the cross. So long as you honestly ask to be forgiven for your sins, you get out of a lifetime of evil scot free.

    It's amazing how many supposed Christians don't even know their own book.
    Check again, Jesus responded to a last act of kindness on the part of that thief, which served to show he (the thief) was not a selfish man. The act also indicated while he may have commited a crime "Ceasar" thought merited death, his prior life held enough goodness to cause him to act with kindness and pity toward Jesus' plight on the cross.

    Consider the strength of goodwill needed to overcome your own pain to defend and comfort a person sharing your pain?

    In any case, I will be sticking to the threads purpose before making any further replies...but may be willing to engage in some religious thread on the topic as I mentioned to Fisher.
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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Check again, Jesus responded to a last act of kindness on the part of that thief, which served to show he (the thief) was not a selfish man. The act also indicated while he may have commited a crime "Ceasar" thought merited death, his prior life held enough goodness to cause him to act with kindness and pity toward Jesus' plight on the cross.

    Consider the strength of goodwill needed to overcome your own pain to defend and comfort a person sharing your pain?

    In any case, I will be sticking to the threads purpose before making any further replies...but may be willing to engage in some religious thread on the topic as I mentioned to Fisher.
    Amazing that you can get all of that out of 4 short verses:

    Like 23:40-43 "But the other answered, and rebuking him said, "Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? "And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong." And he was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!" And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

    And it doesn't say anything that you said. I guess you think you get to just make stuff up to justify your beliefs.
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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Christianity: the ability to do evil, unimaginable harm to everyone you meet ... just as long as you regret it ... eventually.
    As opposed to Muslims doing harm or atheists doing harm--no difference. Has nothing to do with Christianity.

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Amazing that you can get all of that out of 4 short verses:

    Like 23:40-43 "But the other answered, and rebuking him said, "Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? "And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong." And he was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!" And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

    And it doesn't say anything that you said. I guess you think you get to just make stuff up to justify your beliefs.
    If you can read that passage and NOT see what I stated....you provide another object lesson as to why people are turning away from Christianity in the west.

    There really isn't much more that I can say.

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    LOL You really are both "literal-minded" and severely uninformed about your own religion. Besides which, your response does not really answer the actual point being made. Figure it out for yourself because…

    The purpose of this thread was to select one of the reasons the OP thought might be the cause of what he sees as Christianity's failure as a western ideology.

    I provided a cause as I saw it, but found no poll response that met my position, although Option Three “the Nietzscheite option: Christianity has failed because it is inherently flawed,” came closest.

    I rejected that poll option because I don’t believe it is “innately” flawed, just that most practitioners fail to actually adhere to its ideals. This provides such a poor example to outside observers that they are turning away from it for more Humanist/secular ideals.

    If you want to debate the merits of your religious position, open a thread and posit a position and I may choose to participate. Until then I see no reason to engage in a side-track just to satisfy your needs.
    Yeah, just as I thought, another "Whoops I am wrong so let me play the it's off-topic card to see if I can save some face". What's next, the "Anybody who doesn't agree with me is off-topic" card?

    The original poll begs the question by presuming that Christianity has failed. It has not, ergo the whole poll is subject to challenge. That being an A-hole is a sin in your mind makes it pretty clear I am not the one who is uninformed about Christianity.

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