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Thread: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    I was just told again that hell is not in the bible.

    I guess the bible can just mean anything. Which makes it mean nothing.
    https://bible.org/article/what-bible-says-about-hell

    Any small amount of biblical knowledge would make it clear that hell is in the bible, but that link is pretty concise than I could have been.
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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    'Where by "failure" I mean its gradual displacement from the center of the moral and intellectual life of they civilization.'

    The reason is people are slowly waking up to what a complete waste of time religion is.

    All major religions are for the weak and/or the ignorant and/or the desperate.

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    What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'Where by "failure" I mean its gradual displacement from the center of the moral and intellectual life of they civilization.'

    The reason is people are slowly waking up to what a complete waste of time religion is.

    All major religions are for the weak and/or the ignorant and/or the desperate.
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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And that's a good thing. The sooner we get rid of religion entirely, even if it's just the more fundamentalist, evangelical religions, the better.
    I second that.
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    What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    I second that.
    We can't get rid if religion bc it is a control tool for the masses. It must be preserved; sometimes even a facade serves as good cover.

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Jesus was a Judean. there is no evidence of him being Jewish, as in, the adept of the judean faith. He didn't keep any of the jewish celebrations, he didn't hold the rabbi order in any high regard and there is no evidence of him ever being of the jewish religion.

    He was the founder of Christianity.

    Let me make it clear about what Jesus was in concern to his divinity and to clear the whole part as to why the Christian God is not the same God as in the Old testament in as simple terms as I possibly can. A simple cause and effect relationship.

    In order for there to be a Christian God, you need Christ. No Christ, no Christian God. Since Christ didn't exist till the New testament, anything that is in the Old Testament is something other than the Christian God. Got it? I can't make it any more simple than this. I really can't.
    He celebrated the jewish festivals, passover, Hannukah (festival of lights), he went to the temple, he kept the sabbath, and so on. Before his ministry he followed John the Baptist.

    Jesus agreed and affirmed the Shama, the Jewish Unitarian Creed.

    I'm a Christological Unitarian, as Jesus was.

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    You're either missing, or deliberately avoiding your initial claim, which was that the Christian God is not the same God who was responsible for the plagues as described in the Old Testament. It's nonsense and you haven't actually disputed it. It's the same God, the God that Jesus claimed to be. "I and my Father are one" John 10:30

    You are suggesting that there was no father until there was a son. It makes no sense, even from the Christian perspective. Jesus' claim that he was God was based on the prophecies from the Old Testament. If you don't believe in the God that fortold the coming of his son, then how can you believe that the son is the son of God? The whole thing makes no sense.
    John 10:30 is not an ontological claim, he's saying they are one in the same way he and the apostles are one, in spirit, read a couple chapters on.
    John 17:11 "And now I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one, as we are one" - That doesn't mean that the aposltes are one being ... literally ...

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Ah, actually that isn't true. There were a whole lot of other religions that existed and thrived in that region. From various religions like zoroasterism and the egyptian polytheist religion and other pagan ones to the roman pagan religions.
    Not so much in Galilee and Judea ...

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    What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    He celebrated the jewish festivals, passover, Hannukah (festival of lights), he went to the temple, he kept the sabbath, and so on. Before his ministry he followed John the Baptist.

    Jesus agreed and affirmed the Shama, the Jewish Unitarian Creed.

    I'm a Christological Unitarian, as Jesus was.
    Jesus of Nazareth was a Jew for bring Jewish is more than a following a faith; he was part of an ethnic group.

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    Re: What is most responsible for Christianity's failure in the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    That would be Mary and some scholars say she was head of the Catholic Church in the very beginning until the church was hijacked by Peter and women became "unclean". We will never know for sure I guess.
    It does seem strange that God choose a woman to bear his only son when he could of just "poofed" him into existence. Does not that make a woman the sex chosen by God as the most "holy"?
    Show me a scholar that says that .... The head of the church in the begining is almost universally understood to have been James, Bishop of the Jerusalem Church.

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