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Gipper, some of these liberals are really BIZARRE !!!

One has to have an ID to get some book out of the Public Library, or for many other trivial aspects in day to day life ......but any non-citizen can falsify his Election Vote without an ID ?!?!? Do you know how preposterous that is ????

Do you have any evidence that "any non citizen has falsified his election vote"...ever?



Voter ID is trying to a solve problem that doesn't exist. Instead Voter ID is actually creating a problem for legitimate voters to exercise their constitutional right to vote.
 
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Welcome to the forum, Juanita. :wcm :2party:



Thank you...I'm happy to be here...but still learning how to navigate...
 
Do you have any evidence that "any non citizen has falsified his election vote"...ever?



Voter ID is trying to a solve problem that doesn't exist. Instead Voter ID is actually creating a problem for legitimate voters to exercise their constitutional right to vote.

Do you have any evidence that any non-citizens didn't have breakfast on December First 2012 ?

The ole ploy of having your opponent prove a negative is old hat.

To assume that there isn't voter fraud perpetrated by a significant number of the the hundreds of millions by citizens or non-citizens which voter ID could squelch is taking credulity to the snapping point .......especially since practically every one of the residents of USA needs an ID for dozens of occasions in everyday trivial and semi-trivial activities.

Personal view: if one is so ignorant, or such an idiot that he, or she can't get an ID ......then that butthead shouldn't vote.
 
Do you have any evidence that any non-citizens didn't have breakfast on December First 2012 ?

The ole ploy of having your opponent prove a negative is old hat.
Thats right, you can't prove it because it's not happening. And yet, Conservatives are trying to pass laws with "negative" proof that "non citizen have falsified election votes." Fortunately, the courts determined that many of those negative voter ID laws were unconstitutional.

To assume that there isn't voter fraud perpetrated by a significant number of the the hundreds of millions by citizens or non-citizens which voter ID could squelch is taking credulity to the snapping point .......especially since practically every one of the residents of USA needs an ID for dozens of occasions in everyday trivial and semi-trivial activities.
You need evidence to have credibility and you don't have any. There is zero evidence of widespread voter fraud. Voter ID laws are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

Personal view: if one is so ignorant, or such an idiot that he, or she can't get an ID ......then that butthead shouldn't vote.
It's not a matter being stupid or ignorant, it's matter of affordability and assessability. For example, if a state requires a motorist ID to vote then a lot of people who don't drive, can't vote. If a state requires several documents (birth certificate, passport, etc) that charge a lot of fees to get, then poor people can't afford to vote. Not allowing a Social Security card as valid ID prevents a lot of seniors from voting. Why would some conservative states try to prevent and/or make it harder for US citizens to vote?
 
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Do you have any evidence that "any non citizen has falsified his election vote"...ever?



Voter ID is trying to a solve problem that doesn't exist. Instead Voter ID is actually creating a problem for legitimate voters to exercise their constitutional right to vote.

Explain as precisely as possible what the heck is racist about needing an ID card to vote? Is it racist that you need one to drive? IMO, this is one of the most ridiculous BS cries of racism I've heard. The story of the black who cried racism has the same moral as the boy who cried wolf.
 
Thats right, you can't prove it because it's not happening. And yet, Conservatives are trying to pass laws with "negative" proof that "non citizen have falsified election votes." Fortunately, the courts determined that many of those negative voter ID laws were unconstitutional.

You need evidence to have credibility and you don't have any. There is zero evidence of widespread voter fraud. Voter ID laws are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

It's not a matter being stupid or ignorant, it's matter of affordability and assessability. For example, if a state requires a motorist ID to vote then a lot of people who don't drive, can't vote. If a state requires several documents (birth certificate, passport, etc) that charge a lot of fees to get, then poor people can't afford to vote. Not allowing a Social Security card as valid ID prevents a lot of seniors from voting. Why would some conservative states try to prevent and/or make it harder for US citizens to vote?

Bottomline: If you are too stupid, and/or so f-d up that you can't get an ID to vote, then your vote shouldn't negate a sentient person's vote. Any other opinion is bovine feces. End of story as far as I'm concerned.
 
The reasons for it are questionable. I suspect few illegal Canadians will be stopped.

I guess preventing democrats from stealing elections is "questionable" to you?
 
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You need evidence to have credibility and you don't have any. There is zero evidence of widespread voter fraud. Voter ID laws are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

It's not a matter being stupid or ignorant, it's matter of affordability and assessability. For example, if a state requires a motorist ID to vote then a lot of people who don't drive, can't vote. If a state requires several documents (birth certificate, passport, etc) that charge a lot of fees to get, then poor people can't afford to vote. Not allowing a Social Security card as valid ID prevents a lot of seniors from voting. Why would some conservative states try to prevent and/or make it harder for US citizens to vote?

Voter ID laws are trying to prevent a problem. Do you not see a glaring hypocrisy in mandating all citizens must have health insurance, but not everybody must prove they are a citizen?

You have obviously never had to actually deal with people who try to do a lot of things with forged or stolen documents.

I challenge you to get a legal job, open a bank account, cash a check, take out a library book, get a fishing license, register a vehicle or go to a doctor's office for an appointment without ID.

And the impact of any of these is miniscule in comparison to voting for the person who is going to run this country.

Being poor or low income does NOT prevent you from obtaining an ID. Most areas/Dept of Human Services even provide some sort of free transportation services for the low income/elderly to the destination of their choice.
 
I guess preventing democrats from stealing elections is "questionable" to you?

Another poor picked on republicans moment I supposed. But no one said nor suggested anything of the kind. You don't think Canadians vote democrat?
 
Another poor picked on republicans moment I supposed. But no one said nor suggested anything of the kind. You don't think Canadians vote democrat?

what I know is that there are millions of illegals mainly from south of our border whose legal brothers and sisters tend to vote for the party of handouts and income redistribution and the dems would like nothing better than having those illegals voting in American elections
 
what I know is that there are millions of illegals mainly from south of our border whose legal brothers and sisters tend to vote for the party of handouts and income redistribution and the dems would like nothing better than having those illegals voting in American elections

I'd love to see your proof on that. Seems they could not show that in court.
 
I'd love to see your proof on that. Seems they could not show that in court.

what legal assertion did I make that would require court evidence. are you denying that

1) legal hispanics voted overwhelmingly for the party of handouts-the deems

2) Dems want those illegals turned into legal overs.

3) that there are millions of illegal immigrants from places south of our borders meaning Mexico etc?
 
what legal assertion did I make that would require court evidence. are you denying that

1) legal hispanics voted overwhelmingly for the party of handouts-the deems

2) Dems want those illegals turned into legal overs.

3) that there are millions of illegal immigrants from places south of our borders meaning Mexico etc?

Well, I deny the handouts bit. That's your sad interpretation. As I recall, wild democrats like Ronald Reagan gave amnesty in the past. And no number of those illegal supports you claim, something you skipped trying to do I see. So, at the end of the day, you want a cure to a problem that doesn't exist with the hope of intimidating legal voters you think favor republicans.

Yep, you support my position well. Thanks. :coffeepap
 
That's obvious. You couldn't possibly care about historical context given that you appear to think the bad stuff towards black people happened 400 years ago, rather than still being very real a mere 40 years ago or so in many places. And there was no magic wand that was waved which made the world so much better instantaneously in 1964 after the CRA was passed.



Who said anything about excusing ****ty behavior?



People who say this don't want to move forward so much as they want everyone to forget the past. 400 years of systematic oppression cannot be fixed overnight. It took more than 100 years to get from owning people to passing a law that said the government cannot actively treat people like **** simply because they are black.

Somehow, during those 400 years or so of systematic oppression, a great many black people learned to not trust white people for some bizarre reason. During the Jim Crow era they learned that the police don't protect and serve black people nearly as much as they protect and serve whites. Are things different now? Sure. But trust is earned, and it ain't going to come overnight. And you know what makes it harder to move forward? A bunch of pissed off crackers saying stupid **** like "Get over it". That doesn't do anything to move us forward, in fact, it does the exact opposite.




People who really want to 'get along' should act like they want to get along.

Treating others the same way that they like to be treated would be a good start, and doesn't cost anyone a nickel.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
People who really want to 'get along' should act like they want to get along.
This is my thing. I see a lot of people (read: white people) in this thread and others talking about how it's time to "move on" or how racial tension needs to be decreased. And yet, none of their behavior facilitates moving on or decreasing tension. Telling black people to "get over it" or dismissing their perspectives as "race baiting" does nothing to help anybody "move forward" and it escalates, rather than weakens, racial tension. With that in mind, the people whose priority is "moving forward" and decreasing racial tension should examine their own behavior and do whatever they can to accomplish those goals. Otherwise, it just comes across as people wanting blacks to shut up and take it.
 
Well, I deny the handouts bit. That's your sad interpretation. As I recall, wild democrats like Ronald Reagan gave amnesty in the past. And no number of those illegal supports you claim, something you skipped trying to do I see. So, at the end of the day, you want a cure to a problem that doesn't exist with the hope of intimidating legal voters you think favor republicans.

Yep, you support my position well. Thanks. :coffeepap

so you deny that the main reason why Obama got a huge majority of the hispanic vote was handouts


Why Hispanics Don't Vote for Republicans | National Review Online


T\It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation. Hispanics will prove to be even more decisive in the victory of Governor Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30, which raised upper-income taxes and the sales tax, than in the Obama election.


Hispanic voters want others to pay for what they want
 
This is my thing. I see a lot of people (read: white people) in this thread and others talking about how it's time to "move on" or how racial tension needs to be decreased. And yet, none of their behavior facilitates moving on or decreasing tension. Telling black people to "get over it" or dismissing their perspectives as "race baiting" does nothing to help anybody "move forward" and it escalates, rather than weakens, racial tension. With that in mind, the people whose priority is "moving forward" and decreasing racial tension should examine their own behavior and do whatever they can to accomplish those goals. Otherwise, it just comes across as people wanting blacks to shut up and take it.

You're telling us not to say "get over it"? Think for two darn seconds, WILL YOU PLEASE??? Not "getting over it" implies you're holding a stupid grudge against individuals who didn't do **** to you or your ancestors. Explain to me how in the heck people are to get along better when that type of BS grudge is being held.
 
You're telling us not to say "get over it"? Think for two darn seconds, WILL YOU PLEASE??? Not "getting over it" implies you're holding a stupid grudge against individuals who didn't do **** to you or your ancestors. Explain to me how in the heck people are to get along better when that type of BS grudge is being held.
I'm not telling you do anything. I'm saying that people who want to "move forward" and decrease racial tension should do things that actually facilitate those things instead of doing things that facilitate the opposite.
 
so you deny that the main reason why Obama got a huge majority of the hispanic vote was handouts


Why Hispanics Don't Vote for Republicans | National Review Online


T\It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation. Hispanics will prove to be even more decisive in the victory of Governor Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30, which raised upper-income taxes and the sales tax, than in the Obama election.


Hispanic voters want others to pay for what they want

NRO? :lamo:lamo:lamo

So you found someone with as skewed an opinion as you. Congrats. But that don't make it so. Just means your not the only one whining. Nothing more.

You still haven't supported you claim of illegals voting. :coffeepap
 
This is my thing. I see a lot of people (read: white people) in this thread and others talking about how it's time to "move on" or how racial tension needs to be decreased. And yet, none of their behavior facilitates moving on or decreasing tension. Telling black people to "get over it" or dismissing their perspectives as "race baiting" does nothing to help anybody "move forward" and it escalates, rather than weakens, racial tension. With that in mind, the people whose priority is "moving forward" and decreasing racial tension should examine their own behavior and do whatever they can to accomplish those goals. Otherwise, it just comes across as people wanting blacks to shut up and take it.




This is the kind of counter-productive behavior that I was thinking about when i made the post.



There are lots of people who love to say: "Get over it."

The problem is that most of them still haven't 'got over it'
Those same old racist, Jim Crow ideas are still rattling around in their brains.

I hope that some of us alive today live to see the day when most Americans have really "got over it.

I do believe that we are moving in that direction, against a fair amount of opposition put up by those who would like to take the USA back to the "good old days."
 
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This is the kind of counter-productive behavior that I was thinking about when i made the post.



There are lots of people who love to say: "Get over it."

The problem is that most of them still haven't 'got over it'
Those same old racist, Jim Crow ideas are still rattling around in their brains.

I hope that some of us alive today live to see the day when most Americans have really "got over it.

I do believe that we are moving in that direction, against a fair amount of opposition put up by those who would like to take the USA back to the "good old days."
I think it will take quite a few more generations before everyone truly "gets over it" and I agree that we are moving towards that place. It's just something that cannot be forced. Anybody whose ever had a relationship with another human being knows that telling someone to "get over" something is going to have the exact opposite affect. People want to feel like they are being heard and taken seriously. When they are so harshly dismissed, they develop resentment. I guess the ironic thing is that in telling people to "get over it", you delay their willingness and ability to do so.
 
I think it will take quite a few more generations before everyone truly "gets over it" and I agree that we are moving towards that place. It's just something that cannot be forced. Anybody whose ever had a relationship with another human being knows that telling someone to "get over" something is going to have the exact opposite affect. People want to feel like they are being heard and taken seriously. When they are so harshly dismissed, they develop resentment. I guess the ironic thing is that in telling people to "get over it", you delay their willingness and ability to do so.




Right, it's going to be a slow, gradual thing, it's not going to come like a nation-wide all-encompassing epiphany where everyone links arms and sings "Kumba yah".

But I do firmly believe that day is coming, I may not see it, but it will happen because there are way more good people than bad in this world.
 
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