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Thread: Rasmussen Poll Says Blacks Are More Racist Than Whites [W:358]

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    re: Rasmussen Poll Says Blacks Are More Racist Than Whites [W:358]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, when you refuse to reassess your assumptions, all new information has to be fit in to the pre-existing narrative.
    Great point! That's exactly what he does!

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    re: Rasmussen Poll Says Blacks Are More Racist Than Whites [W:358]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Great point! That's exactly what he does!
    One wonders if those black cab drivers were also "victims of the white system" more than they were victims of criminals.

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    re: Rasmussen Poll Says Blacks Are More Racist Than Whites [W:358]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the liberal goal of more and more government power is fueled by creating a balkanized America. That requires them pushing "minority" rights in order to try to weaken the majority's culture and standing
    I agree that some people like to constantly push this racial division. Could also have something to do with Pres. Obama and his policies. So when you say you hate his policies, some people can accuse of being a "racist" and "hating" Obama. I seriously don't put that past some people. Talk about brainwashing.

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    re: Rasmussen Poll Says Blacks Are More Racist Than Whites [W:358]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Here's the problem with your argument. It boils down to "black people need to hurry up and get over the past at the pace that I approve of." That's ridiculous. Historically, groups who have been seriously oppressed hold on to resentment for generations, particularly when the people in their own generation try to shame them for feeling such resentment. The fact is, you don't get to tell black people that slavery doesn't mean much because it was a long time ago. You don't get to tell black people how they should perceive racism. That you and others think you have a better handle on how black people should feel about how racism - current and historical - impacts them is a huge part of the problem in race relations today. People have been questioning black people's feelings on racism forever. To continue to do that and not simply say, "I get it" and stop there continues the problem.
    why does a group that was subjected to genocide and was persecuted for centuries and make up 2% of our nation have more than 40% representation on the US Supreme court, have huge overrepresentation at the top schools, the senate, medicine and law? why have the children of BOAT PEOPLE produced more Ivy Phi Beta Kappas and US SErvice academy valedictorians in the 30 years they have been here than blacks have in over a century?

    it might be due to many reasons but I also note AFRICANS who come to this country do far better than american blacks even though its hard to fathom that a racist white is going to distinquish between a guy from Nigeria vs someone whose great great great grandparents came from there



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    re: Rasmussen Poll Says Blacks Are More Racist Than Whites [W:358]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I agree that some people like to constantly push this racial division. Could also have something to do with Pres. Obama and his policies. So when you say you hate his policies, some people can accuse of being a "racist" and "hating" Obama. I seriously don't put that past some people. Talk about brainwashing.
    yeah I would be fully behind Obama's anti gun, tax the productive and coddle the parasite policies if he only were just a white guy



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    re: Rasmussen Poll Says Blacks Are More Racist Than Whites [W:358]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Here's the problem with your argument. It boils down to "black people need to hurry up and get over the past at the pace that I approve of." That's ridiculous. Historically, groups who have been seriously oppressed hold on to resentment for generations, particularly when the people in their own generation try to shame them for feeling such resentment. The fact is, you don't get to tell black people that slavery doesn't mean much because it was a long time ago. You don't get to tell black people how they should perceive racism. That you and others think you have a better handle on how black people should feel about how racism - current and historical - impacts them is a huge part of the problem in race relations today. People have been questioning black people's feelings on racism forever. To continue to do that and not simply say, "I get it" and stop there continues the problem.
    Are there any improvements? Other people have come to this country, certainly not under the same conditions, I'll give you that, but they were not really much more than slaves, such as the Irish for example. They seemed to be able to integrate even though they were abused, murdered, beaten, etc. None of the people alive today now anyone who was a slave.

    Perhaps, it's all of this "you're a victim of whitey" talk that keeps them down. You bring someone down easily by first killing their self-esteem. Would you ever even CONSIDER that possibility though?

    There are certainly people who won't let the issue rest. I don't see how that helps anyone. There is no more slavery, segregation is illegal, we have hate crime laws and affirmative action, we have an elected black president along with many other black politicians. The stories that you keep trying to sell, I'm NOT buying. It's something other than "racism" that has a negative effect on the black community.

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    re: Rasmussen Poll Says Blacks Are More Racist Than Whites [W:358]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why does a group that was subjected to genocide and was persecuted for centuries and make up 2% of our nation have more than 40% representation on the US Supreme court, have huge overrepresentation at the top schools, the senate, medicine and law? why have the children of BOAT PEOPLE produced more Ivy Phi Beta Kappas and US SErvice academy valedictorians in the 30 years they have been here than blacks have in over a century?

    it might be due to many reasons but I also note AFRICANS who come to this country do far better than american blacks even though its hard to fathom that a racist white is going to distinquish between a guy from Nigeria vs someone whose great great great grandparents came from there
    Why are you taking away the agency of black Americans by comparing them to other groups? Different groups deal with similar - but not identical - problems differently for a variety of reasons. Jewish people, "boat people" and African immigrants have dealt with different systems of oppression, different histories and different problems in the United States. Dismissing the problems of black Americans by pointing to other groups is, again, telling black Americans how to feel based on how YOU think they should feel. That's not your place and for you, as a white man, to act like it's your place perpetuates the same dynamics of racial power that created racial problems in this country in the first place. You're a white dude explaining to black people how they ought to feel about racism. That's literally what white people have been doing to black people for centuries. It's time to stop because it makes you the problem.

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    re: Rasmussen Poll Says Blacks Are More Racist Than Whites [W:358]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Post them.
    Books are better, but these will do:

    The Deferential Wife (described in Section 1) who lives in a world in which women are routinely denied educational opportunities and access tothe best jobs, and so become economically dependent on men, is more likely to desire to be servile to her husband and children. A female student who lives in a patriarchal culture that teaches women to look to men for protection, security, and strength rather than to cultivate these traits in themselves, is more likely to want to date males in power, such as her professor, because she sees them as exhibiting these traits.

    Feminist Moral Psychology (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

    The ridicule and devaluation of women’s intuition as unreliable, unscientific, and illogical is used to invalidate and detour perception away from the active oppression of women by a dominant patriarchal society. This propaganda can become so effective that some women come to believe that men have a special skill or ability that allows them to succeed in the world that these women themselves do not possess, while, paradoxically, they cater to the needs and foibles of men at home through this same invalidated intu- ition (Miller, 1986).

    http://www.dhss.delaware.gov/dsamh/f...eption1192.pdf


    To aid in reducing the world into a more manageable environment, we deploy heuristics, which are the neat well-established categories that provide an abbreviated version of lengthier thinking processes. In clinical experiments, patients experiencing stress habitually increase their reliance on heuristics, stereotyping, and dualistic evaluative thinking (friend vs. foe, safe vs. dangerous dichotomies).

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    pervert one's sense of reality. Thus, the old adage, "Seeing is believing" is better rephrased as, "Believing is seeing," because perceptions are always subjected to our emotional filtering systems, which endow us with the basis for interpreting and often misinterpreting environmental and social events. Emotional filters are grounded in:
    What we have been taught explicitly or implicitly.
    Conditioned beliefs that become "hard-wired" in the brain by experiences and thoughts, forming semi-permanent neural circuits inside the brain.
    Expectations based on schemas and our awareness of "if-then" relationships.
    Evolutionary and genetic directions that assist us in identifying potential threats, which are often, unfortunately, defined as "those who look different from me and my group."
    Social Conditioning
    Contrary to other species in which instincts dictate habitat, food choices, mating preferences and practices, social stratifications, and clear identities for one's designated "enemies" — in human beings, thoughts, emotions, and behaviors are shaped by human-made meaning systems that must be taught, learned, and mastered. Classical conditioning is the form of learning that takes place when two stimuli are paired with one another. For example, when a lab rat sees a light go on, which is also followed by a mild electrical shock, the rat has "learned" via classical conditioning methods.

    In establishing human prejudices, similar pairings of conditions occur, which may be real, imagined, insinuated, implied, or deliberately taught. Social conditioning has merged with neurobiologically based survival instincts to produce the majority of our more complex contemporary prejudices. The social and cognitive developmental literature has shown that children demonstrate clear ethnic and racial awareness at around three or four years of age. Differences are never the problem to children. It is the teaching of prejudicial attributions and misattributions to differences that foster eventual conflicts.

    Neuropsychology and Prejudice

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Rasmussen Poll Says Blacks Are More Racist Than Whites [W:358]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Why are you taking away the agency of black Americans by comparing them to other groups? Different groups deal with similar - but not identical - problems differently for a variety of reasons. Jewish people, "boat people" and African immigrants have dealt with different systems of oppression, different histories and different problems in the United States. Dismissing the problems of black Americans by pointing to other groups is, again, telling black Americans how to feel based on how YOU think they should feel. That's not your place and for you, as a white man, to act like it's your place perpetuates the same dynamics of racial power that created racial problems in this country in the first place. You're a white dude explaining to black people how they ought to feel about racism. That's literally what white people have been doing to black people for centuries. It's time to stop because it makes you the problem.
    who appointed you spokewoman for the black race. I don't care how they feel. I am tired of them or their white handwringing patrons excusing social pathologies that are deleterious to society by whining about slavery or racism

    guess what-blacks are the people who sold blacks to white folks.



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    re: Rasmussen Poll Says Blacks Are More Racist Than Whites [W:358]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You confuse an objective study that starts with no assumptions and makes conclusions based on the facts vs the stuff we often see from propaganda sources-they start with a premise they want to support and tailor their studies to prove their premise correct.

    an example is well known in the anti gun literature. an anti gun doctor wanted to prove having a gun in your home was dangerous. He concluded that if you had a gun in your home you were X times as more likely to be killed than if you didn't. However, in the 350 or so cases he 'studied' only 6 involved houses where the homeowners had guns. the other 340 or so cases involved killings where the killer brought the gun to his victim's home and shot them. This dishonest doctor claimed that was a home with a gun in it which was technically true but was completely dishonest.
    I make no such confusion. I have read slave diaries and women adapting to the oppression.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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