View Poll Results: At which age should a child be allowed to own a gun?

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  • I don't think there should be age limits. It's the responsibility of the parents.

    11 22.45%
  • 0-4 years

    0 0%
  • 5-8 years

    1 2.04%
  • 9-12 years

    7 14.29%
  • 13-14 years

    3 6.12%
  • 15-16 years

    0 0%
  • 17-18 years

    14 28.57%
  • 21 years

    5 10.20%
  • Private gun ownership should not be allowed at all.

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  • other (please explain)

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Thread: Guns and children

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    Re: Guns and children

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    Uh huh, Obama speaks for you, so dumby up with that Vermont stuff. He sets the tone in Washington, and he wants us to be like Europe, cause he thinks that's how to achieve social justice.
    I am sure who Obama speaks for anymore, but he certainly was never speaking for me.

    Actual gun control laws widely differ state by state. Look at what they are in the pinko Vermont: the least restrictive in the whole Union. It is a fact.

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    Re: Guns and children

    Depends on how oppressive the government gets. If Barack Obama presses for another 4 years as president, I'd say as soon as the child is able to aim a gun and shoot it.

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    Re: Guns and children

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    One thing that totally amazes me about America (well, certain regions in America at least) is that guns are considered such a normal everyday tool that even children are provided with guns. The other day, I even heard that there exist certain rifle models that are designed for kids and advertized as such.

    Being European, this is culturally totally alien to me. And it strikes me as completely insane, no matter how I turn it. I bet the reaction of most of my fellow countrymen is similar. When there were cases in the news about 4 or 5 year old American kids shooting their younger siblings with guns their parents had given them, that was just one big "I told you so"-moment, as horrible as these cases are. I really think the parents should go to jail for this irresponsibility.

    Seriously: How can anybody give a child a gun? How stupid can one be? Guns are not for kids, period.

    Or do you seriously think kids should have access to deadly weapons that can kill in an instant and are exclusively designed for that purpose, but are not responsible enough to drive before they turn 16, or to drink alcohol before they turn 18/21?! (Or to have consensual safe sex, for that matter.) That simply does not compute.

    So what do you think? Which age is appropriate for kids to have access to guns?


    Hi German Guy. I'm one of those idiots that gives kids guns.


    To be precise, though, the question is far more complex than you've framed it.

    It is actually several questions...

    1. When is a child old enough to handle firearms in the presence of/under the tutelage of a responsible adult? (not on the own you see)
    2. When is a child old enough to be allowed access to firearms unsupervised on private property? (ie in the home, on the farm)
    3. When is a person old enough to buy or possess firearms unrestricted as an adult?
    4. When is a person old enough to carry a firearm in public places, as in concealed carry?

    I've never simply handed a child a gun and said "here, go play", or had them open a present on Christmas that was a .44 magnum and said "here's the bullets, keep it in your sock drawer..."


    No. That WOULD be irresponsible and insane.

    However, I taught my son (indeed, quite a number of children over the years), firearms safety and marksmanship beginning from age 4, under close and careful supervision.


    It is not unusual locally for children to learn to use firearms between the age of 6 and 10 under adult supervision. Many begin hunting between 6 and 12, under adult supervision.


    I've known many young fellows in that age range who were already pretty good marksmen, and sufficiently meticulous in their gunhandling that I did not feel they were in any way unsafe... under proper adult supervision.



    My son could recite the Three Rules of Safe Gunhandling in his sleep long before he ever needed to shave.


    Numbers 1 and 2 are the parent's responsibility to decide. There HAVE been children (of other people) I have been asked to teach basic safety and marksmanship to, and after talking with the child I declined and told the parent "he is not ready; let's talk again in a year or two". I will NOT teach them unless I see three things: 1. They will take the matter seriously and can be made to understand that guns are dangerous.... 2. They will OBEY my commands when we are shooting at targets... and 3. That they have been taught the fundamentals of moral and ethical behavior by their parents and understand that it is wrong to harm others absent necessity.



    Some children may be suitable to be taught (under careful supervision) at 4 or 5, some at 6 or 8.... some not until they are older, and some IMHO will be waiting for a cold day in Hades before I teach them squat.


    Depends. Driving a car is also dangerous. So is operating a skid-loader (Bobcat) which I taught my son to run at age 9, or cutting down trees with a chainsaw which he was allowed to do at 12.


    OTOH hand I've met 12yo's I would not trust with a pointy screwdriver. Depends.


    As a society, we allow purchase and unsupervised access to long arms at 18, and pistols at 21, by matter of law. As to being allowed access on private property (at home for instance).... that's a family matter and one to be determined with great care.


    I realize, GG, that this is a very alien thing to you.... I wonder if you can open up your mind well enough to see that we've been doing it in parts of America for literally centuries and in 99.99% of cases no tragedy or disaster occurs?

    The tragedies and disasters are rarities. Indeed, usually when a child accidentally shoots another child it is in a home where guns were kept but the child was NOT taught gun safety or allowed to shoot... it is well established that ignorance is a killer.

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    Re: Guns and children

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I'd argue that cars/motorbikes and low-alcohol drinks are much less dangerous than guns and rifles, and thus the latter should not be given to kids before the former.

    Even in America, AWASH in guns compared to any other nation, automobile accident deaths far outnumber ALL firearm deaths.

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    Re: Guns and children

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Sorry, 21 for a handgun and 18 for a rifle or shotgun.
    Still not correct. There are no federal age lmits for ownership or possession. Some states have laws, but they differ widely.

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    Re: Guns and children

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It is actually several questions...

    1. When is a child old enough to handle firearms in the presence of/under the tutelage of a responsible adult? (not on the own you see)
    2. When is a child old enough to be allowed access to firearms unsupervised on private property? (ie in the home, on the farm)
    3. When is a person old enough to buy or possess firearms unrestricted as an adult?
    4. When is a person old enough to carry a firearm in public places, as in concealed carry?
    1. I started shooting, with adult supervision, at age 4.
    2. I'd say around 10 or so.
    3. Age of adulthood. I'd say fifteen, most people don't think "kids" are adults until eighteen.
    4. Age of adulthood again.

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    Re: Guns and children

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    1. I started shooting, with adult supervision, at age 4.
    2. I'd say around 10 or so.
    3. Age of adulthood. I'd say fifteen, most people don't think "kids" are adults until eighteen.
    4. Age of adulthood again.

    Agreed in part. I was allowed semi-unsupervised access to firearms from about age 12 and it wasn't a problem.

    It is possible to raise and train up a child in order to imbue them with something like adult-level responsibility by 15.... I would know, I did this on purpose and I've been treating my son mostly as an adult since he was that age... but it is not commonplace in our society anymore, so much so that some people do not think it can be done.

    Yet we commonly start letting them drive at 15 or 16, and many parents then let them zoom all over town unsupervised (and often doing a lot of stupid and risky ****)... our society is kinda screwy in some ways...


    But I do worry about the impulse control thing. My son is 17, I have no worries about letting him have access to my gun safe here at home... but letting a 15yo carry in public seems excessively optimistic to me, unless you're trying to get Darwinian about it...

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    Re: Guns and children

    IMO:
    Toy cap guns and pellet guns at age 4
    Air rifles/pistols at age 8
    22 rifles/pistols at age 12
    410 Shotshell shotguns at 16 (duck hunting and the like)
    Any rifles/shotgun at age 18
    Any pistol at age 21
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Guns and children

    Around here it is largely for sporting purposes like hunting, but of course there is the idea of defense of family. It had long been a pastime for fathers and sons, nephews and cousins to go after game. It is so common that in many of the rural schools, opening day of hunting season is treated like a holiday, with little to no one in school.

    I suppose hunting also has different connotations with in Germany and many other European countries, but hunting is something for the Everyman and his children to enjoy. The gun is a tool for that end, and they are taught to respect the power of that weapon from a young age.
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    Re: Guns and children

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    maybe that is why our 17-19 year old boys kicked the living crap out of the German army?

    Here is my kid at age 14 with a glock 17. That is a high level instructor behind him. He is at one of the very best tactical training facilities in the USA-its prominent internationally. He has had over 72 hours of high level formal training, and hundreds of hours of training with me-another high level instructor.
    I have a number of guns and I am, admittedly, not the most accurate with a handgun (I can sure dust the clay targets in trap though). I have no doubt your boy would embarrass me on the range which IMO goes to show that age is not nearly as important as training and experience.

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