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  • I don't think there should be age limits. It's the responsibility of the parents.

    11 22.45%
  • 0-4 years

    0 0%
  • 5-8 years

    1 2.04%
  • 9-12 years

    7 14.29%
  • 13-14 years

    3 6.12%
  • 15-16 years

    0 0%
  • 17-18 years

    14 28.57%
  • 21 years

    5 10.20%
  • Private gun ownership should not be allowed at all.

    0 0%
  • other (please explain)

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    Re: Guns and children

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I'd argue that cars/motorbikes and low-alcohol drinks are much less dangerous than guns and rifles, and thus the latter should not be given to kids before the former.
    More people are killed in car accidents than firearms any given year in the U.S. and many of those are teens. Motorcyles are less prevalent here so I think they have a lower total fatality number than cars, but they have a higher mortality probability during an accident. Low alcohol drinks in the U.S. were actually considered for the longest time to be more dangerous due to the assumption that the low alcohol content would not have a negative effect on driving skills, wine coolers for example were abused heavily in the 80s and 90s because drivers assumed they could have more and not be effected.

    It's always about a person taking responsibility for whatever they take control of, whether that be a vehicle, firearm, electrical device, etc. I personally would rather expose kids to these items in a way that they can learn the operations and safety, characteristics of the items, and more than anything, respect for the device.
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    Re: Guns and children

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    First of all, one can't legally own a gun in this country until the age of 21.

    I was introduced to firearms around the age of 5 or 6 but, only while observing adults on hunting trips. Around age nine I was allowed [on my own] to access any gun in the cabinet and was trained in care and safety of said guns. (we lived in a small town with lots of open country around)

    I hate to bring this up but, Germany in particular, probably has a negative attitude about guns due to the WWs. (misuse of power, disarmament, political chaos, etc)

    I would bet before those wars, it was very common for young European boys to hunt and target practice with their families. There's also a long line of fine gun makers from that region of the world.
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    Re: Guns and children

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    First statement is not true, I bought my first 12ga. pump for my 18th birthday.
    I think most states allow long guns at 18. 21 for a handgun.
    That said, my parents got me my first bolt action .22 at 12 and I still have it.
    But it was not given to me until I graduated a NRA safety course, even though my father was a police officer and WWII combat vet and was very familier with guns.
    Lessons in that class still are put to use every time I pick up a weapon.

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    Re: Guns and children

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    One thing that totally amazes me about America (well, certain regions in America at least) is that guns are considered such a normal everyday tool that even children are provided with guns. The other day, I even heard that there exist certain rifle models that are designed for kids and advertized as such.

    Being European, this is culturally totally alien to me. And it strikes me as completely insane, no matter how I turn it. I bet the reaction of most of my fellow countrymen is similar. When there were cases in the news about 4 or 5 year old American kids shooting their younger siblings with guns their parents had given them, that was just one big "I told you so"-moment, as horrible as these cases are. I really think the parents should go to jail for this irresponsibility.

    Seriously: How can anybody give a child a gun? How stupid can one be? Guns are not for kids, period.

    Or do you seriously think kids should have access to deadly weapons that can kill in an instant and are exclusively designed for that purpose, but are not responsible enough to drive before they turn 16, or to drink alcohol before they turn 18/21?! (Or to have consensual safe sex, for that matter.) That simply does not compute.

    So what do you think? Which age is appropriate for kids to have access to guns?
    OWNING a gun - 15-16 at the earliest.

    SHOOTING a gun - as in, being taught how to properly use one (a necessity if there are guns around the home - purely for safety reasons) . . . 5 or so seems ok because they can
    begin to understand the do's and don'ts. So maybe a little earlier for some, later for others.

    Most firearm incidents happen because parents don't set up rules - and enforce them.
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    Re: Guns and children

    As a European, Romania has probably the toughest gun laws in the world for a supposedly "free country". So totalitarian regimes are out.

    You cannot own a firearm if you are not a member of the law enforcement agencies or a member of Parliament.
    In order to get a non-lethal gun you need to jump through hoops and loops more so than a dolphin at waterworld. And once you do, you have gracefully subjected yourself to mandatory and random "cavity searches" from the police. Because if you own a non-lethal firearm, the police can drop by at any time, unannounced, and inspect your non-lethal gun. See if you keep in the proper storage according to the law ( gun and ammo separate under 2 separate keys in 2 separate safes).


    So coming from this background I believe that firearms should be legal. Lets be real, in the winter, a non-lethal gun will do jack against a guy who wants to hurt you and is wearing a heavy, thick coat unless you shoot him in the face. And if you shoot him in the face, you are liable to face criminal charges even if you were defending yourself.

    So. Firearms should be legal. But not "america" legal. The requirements for owning a legal firearm should be:

    - take a psychological test and pass it. The psychological test should be revisited every X years and/or after every major trauma (member of family died, car accident, etc). If you pass the psychological test and get a gun, and the next day you go out and shoot someone, both you and the psychologist who passed you are liable to face criminal charges.
    -Mandatory X number of training courses on how to use the gun. Clean, maintain and shoot.
    -You can only purchase a gun after you obtained a permission from the police, which requires you pass the psychological test (and maybe a theoretical knowledge test, like you do at driving school) and in order to get a permit legitimizing your purchase, you need to complete the training courses.

    So like when you take driving permit. You need to pass a theortical test and a driving test and all this after you completed a long training program. A car is a deadly weapon. A gun is a deadly weapon. They should both be held to the same standard, maybe a gun at a higher one.

    No drop-in inspections however. that's an invasion of your privacy. And you should be allowed to carry a gun in a concealed fashion at night if you have the permit on you. So not a concealed carry permit, the gun permit. But not during the day. At any other time, the gun must be either in your car/house/private property but during the day, not on your person.

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    Re: Guns and children

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Seriously: How can anybody give a child a gun? How stupid can one be? Guns are not for kids, period.
    Sure they are. I learned how to shoot when I was about ten. Received my first rifle when I was 13.

    So what do you think? Which age is appropriate for kids to have access to guns?
    It's up to the parents, and the maturity of the child.
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    Re: Guns and children

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    First statement is not true, I bought my first 12ga. pump for my 18th birthday.
    Sorry, 21 for a handgun and 18 for a rifle or shotgun.

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    Re: Guns and children

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    One thing that totally amazes me about America (well, certain regions in America at least) is that guns are considered such a normal everyday tool that even children are provided with guns. The other day, I even heard that there exist certain rifle models that are designed for kids and advertized as such.
    Love the post. Yes indeed, freedom is a strange thing in that some things seems so alien and crazy from one perspective, and so normal from another. I don't have a great answer for that per se. I wonder if southern households where guns are common are much worse off statistically than not (when being southern in general is eliminated as a variable !!! ). Me personally, I have no interest in my child knowing how to operate firearms until they are older at the least high school age, but she's in 1st grade so I may change.

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    Re: Guns and children

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Unless, of course, they are from Vermont: Arguably, the "leftiest" state in USA - and the most "pro-gun" at the same time. That's another great thing about America: we just too big and diverse to fit any stereotypes.
    Uh huh, Obama speaks for you, so dumby up with that Vermont stuff. He sets the tone in Washington, and he wants us to be like Europe, cause he thinks that's how to achieve social justice.
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    Re: Guns and children

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    One thing that totally amazes me about America (well, certain regions in America at least) is that guns are considered such a normal everyday tool that even children are provided with guns. The other day, I even heard that there exist certain rifle models that are designed for kids and advertized as such.

    Being European, this is culturally totally alien to me. And it strikes me as completely insane, no matter how I turn it. I bet the reaction of most of my fellow countrymen is similar. When there were cases in the news about 4 or 5 year old American kids shooting their younger siblings with guns their parents had given them, that was just one big "I told you so"-moment, as horrible as these cases are. I really think the parents should go to jail for this irresponsibility.

    Seriously: How can anybody give a child a gun? How stupid can one be? Guns are not for kids, period.

    Or do you seriously think kids should have access to deadly weapons that can kill in an instant and are exclusively designed for that purpose, but are not responsible enough to drive before they turn 16, or to drink alcohol before they turn 18/21?! (Or to have consensual safe sex, for that matter.) That simply does not compute.

    So what do you think? Which age is appropriate for kids to have access to guns?
    maybe that is why our 17-19 year old boys kicked the living crap out of the German army?

    Here is my kid at age 14 with a glock 17. That is a high level instructor behind him. He is at one of the very best tactical training facilities in the USA-its prominent internationally. He has had over 72 hours of high level formal training, and hundreds of hours of training with me-another high level instructor.
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.

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