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    Re: What will the status of Gay marriage be in the USA in 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Then why is government sanction so important?
    For the legal protections of marriage while a couple is married. A person's spouse is their closest relative legally. That in itself comes with protections against another family member being able to place claims on property (such as a house owned jointly by spouses), especially in the event of no will. It also protects each spouse from the other to a point. Obviously this isn't completely true, and can be dependent on time in the marriage, but if one spouse works during the early years of a marriage, while the other goes to college and then the spouse who was working becomes a stay at home parent, while the other spouse lands a really good job and ends up making massive money to take care of the family, but then decides after years of marriage that they no longer want to be in the marriage, then laws of marriage protect the non-wage earning spouse from being left without anything to show for the work they put into the household that was built from the marriage. Even if there are no kids involved, the spouse at home still could have been doing things that helped to make the wage-earner a better earner. People in relationships don't tend to pay each other for their work at home because that could get quite ridiculous not to mention make people feel cheap in their marriage. Most people believe that they will be married til at least one of them dies. This just isn't how reality always works.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: What will the status of Gay marriage be in the USA in 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    What are those reasons if it can be ended so easily on a whim? You see, we seem to think marriage is nothing more than individuals deciding to shack up until one get tired of the other...
    Except that isn't how most divorces happen. Most divorces are not planned in the beginning. Most people go into marriage believing that they will be together until one of them dies. There certainly are exceptions to this, but they are few. Then life happens, and they realize that they were wrong or they simply believe they were wrong and that they shouldn't be married to that person anymore or their spouse doesn't want to be married to them anymore.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: What will the status of Gay marriage be in the USA in 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    For the legal protections of marriage while a couple is married. A person's spouse is their closest relative legally. That in itself comes with protections against another family member being able to place claims on property (such as a house owned jointly by spouses), especially in the event of no will. It also protects each spouse from the other to a point. Obviously this isn't completely true, and can be dependent on time in the marriage, but if one spouse works during the early years of a marriage, while the other goes to college and then the spouse who was working becomes a stay at home parent, while the other spouse lands a really good job and ends up making massive money to take care of the family, but then decides after years of marriage that they no longer want to be in the marriage, then laws of marriage protect the non-wage earning spouse from being left without anything to show for the work they put into the household that was built from the marriage. Even if there are no kids involved, the spouse at home still could have been doing things that helped to make the wage-earner a better earner. People in relationships don't tend to pay each other for their work at home because that could get quite ridiculous not to mention make people feel cheap in their marriage. Most people believe that they will be married til at least one of them dies. This just isn't how reality always works.
    All these legal protections are available without marriage with the exception of some SS benefits, and even those are somewhat protected after ten years of marriage...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: What will the status of Gay marriage be in the USA in 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Except that isn't how most divorces happen. Most divorces are not planned in the beginning. Most people go into marriage believing that they will be together until one of them dies. There certainly are exceptions to this, but they are few. Then life happens, and they realize that they were wrong or they simply believe they were wrong and that they shouldn't be married to that person anymore or their spouse doesn't want to be married to them anymore.
    You're not making a compelling case for the State to bestow benefits for marriage or even recognize it for that matter...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: What will the status of Gay marriage be in the USA in 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    All these legal protections are available without marriage with the exception of some SS benefits, and even those are somewhat protected after ten years of marriage...
    No they aren't. A non-spouse can leave their interest in a house to any person they want. But there is a privilege available through marriage alone that makes a house owned by two spouses the sole property of those spouses and unable to be willed to anyone else. Plus, there are many places where a legal arrangement other than marriage can be successfully challenged by family members to gain property/assets of the other spouse. There are also things such as military dependent status that are only available through marriage. Plus, there are many more things that are only granted through marriage, by being considered a person's legal "spouse", which is a relationship status only legally granted through marriage.
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    Re: What will the status of Gay marriage be in the USA in 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    You're not making a compelling case for the State to bestow benefits for marriage or even recognize it for that matter...
    That is how it is now for opposite sex couples, so as long as that is how it is for opposite sex couples, then there is no reason to hold same sex couples at a higher standard.

    And for marriage in general, well people are not perfect. Life happens and people change.
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    Re: What will the status of Gay marriage be in the USA in 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No they aren't. A non-spouse can leave their interest in a house to any person they want. But there is a privilege available through marriage alone that makes a house owned by two spouses the sole property of those spouses and unable to be willed to anyone else. Plus, there are many places where a legal arrangement other than marriage can be successfully challenged by family members to gain property/assets of the other spouse. There are also things such as military dependent status that are only available through marriage. Plus, there are many more things that are only granted through marriage, by being considered a person's legal "spouse", which is a relationship status only legally granted through marriage.
    Marriage is not required to protect property if bought as joint tenants with right of survivorship (aka in some states as tenants in the entirety)...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: What will the status of Gay marriage be in the USA in 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That is how it is now for opposite sex couples, so as long as that is how it is for opposite sex couples, then there is no reason to hold same sex couples at a higher standard.

    And for marriage in general, well people are not perfect. Life happens and people change.
    My questions have been relating as to why the State would have a compelling interest to be involved if it cannot exercise some control...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: What will the status of Gay marriage be in the USA in 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Marriage is not required to protect property if bought as joint tenants with right of survivorship (aka in some states as tenants in the entirety)...
    From what I have read, "tenancy by the entirety" is only granted to legal spouses.

    In other "joint tenancies", from what I can find, it appears that the ownership of a person's share can be bequeathed to another person.
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    Re: What will the status of Gay marriage be in the USA in 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    My questions have been relating as to why the State would have a compelling interest to be involved if it cannot exercise some control...
    Because they are involved in recognizing other family relationships. The state issues birth certificates and adoption records. They work out who is a legal family member of deceased people (to a point). They are involved in recognizing legal family relationships, and spouse is a legal family relationship.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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