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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Well then there is a chance a pregnancy might occur. That 2% doesn't necessarily get pregnant. Condoms are not 100% safe they just make 98x less likely there is a chance of pregnancy. Statistics wise that is a extremely almost impossible chance. That is 98x less likely your taxes may have to pay for a teenage pregnancy.
    If you're going to try to make an argument based on mathematics then please get the math right. You've done me a favor in already bolding where you screwed up. That is, condoms being 98% effective does not mean you are 98x less likely to get pregnant.

    Let's work through this like a true statistician.

    For a given pair of individuals at a particular time, there is a probability p of unprotected sex resulting in a pregnancy. Thus the probability of no pregnancy resulting is 1 - p. Defining the events
    A = unprotected sex results in pregnancy
    B = flawed condom,
    our events are independent. Therefore, the probability P(AB) of sex with a condom resulting in pregnancy is equal to
    P(A) * P(B) = 0.02p, assuming P(B) = 0.02,
    and thus the probability of not getting pregnant when protection is used is 1 - 0.02p. Taking the ratio of avoiding pregnancy when protected versus unprotected,
    (1 - 0.02p) / (1 - p)
    clearly depends on the value p. Using the value p = 0.85 quoted in another post results in only a scale factor of about 6.5, nowhere near 98. Lower, and probably more realistic, values of p will give us even a lower ratio.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Not true actually. If kids had to live with consequences, they might actually think twice.
    The problem is that they do NOT think about the consequences.

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The problem is that they do NOT think about the consequences.
    The problem is that PARENTS do not MAKE them think about the consequences. For example, since I have a nice house, sometimes I drive through the crappy ghetto areas and say to my kids "this is where you might end up if you don't study hard." I point to my mother and niece losing out on freedom to enjoy their 20's by having kids as teenagers. Kids learn well by comparison, so show them the differences in expected results between good and bad decisions. Furthermore, parents need to make sure the kids get a taste of the rewards or consequences for good or bad decisions, respectively.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Do you want to stand on principle, or do you want tax money to pay for unplanned kids?

    Option C does not exist.
    I want all the responsibility dumped on the perpetrators. This will help motivate the liberals to stop embracing pre marital sex.

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

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    No, they should have to pay for them like everyone else.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I want all the responsibility dumped on the perpetrators. This will help motivate the liberals to stop embracing pre marital sex.
    You think premarital sex, even with condoms, a crime?

    Should stoning be the punishment?

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    You think premarital sex, even with condoms, a crime?

    Should stoning be the punishment?
    Oh, hell no. We still live in a free country. If kids want to have sex with whomever they want, then so be it. It's one of the stupidest things they could do, in my opinion, but hey.

    I do, however, want them to pay for their own condoms, or step up and take responsibility for the new bundle of joy. If they can't (or won't) do either, then bill them, take them to court, trash their credit, do whatever it takes to help them understand that it's not cool to be an irresponsible dirt bag.
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    Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Teenagers have been targeted by companies forever because of that supposedly disposable income. If they can watch Twilight they can buy their own Trojans.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Many of us on the pro-condom side are willing to accept vending machines with condoms in schools as a compromise. Free is not the important part, making them readily available is the goal.

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Many of us on the pro-condom side are willing to accept vending machines with condoms in schools as a compromise. Free is not the important part, making them readily available is the goal.
    I don't agree with this.

    Not that I think "OH NOEZ DA CHILDREN CANT BE HAVIN' CONDOMZZZ!!!"

    I just find it tacky to have this type of vending machine at a school......


    If teens want condoms, they can go buy them at the same stores for the same prices as all other adults.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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