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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Its fine to have that opinion, but it is even more immoral to prevent kids from having easy access to the tools for having safer sex, when it has been proven that it will not stop them from doing it anyways. The consequences of such ignorance and self righteousness are deadly.
    Not true actually. If kids had to live with consequences, they might actually think twice.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I agree because of the reason you posted, however, all hell will break loose because state intervention won't be looked on lightly by a lot of people. I think at those ages ...parents who won't even discuss sex with their kids will be pissed at a public school becoming contraceptive distributors without the parents signing a permission form.
    You are right about how this would play out politically in many places. Unfortunately too many people in the USA are misinformed, superstitious/religious and terrified of sex, especially when it involves their own kids. People need to put aside their fears, look at the statistics and deal with the issue rationally.

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Not true actually. If kids had to live with consequences, they might actually think twice.
    1. If negative consequences are easily prevented, they are not consequences.

    2. People who keep prevention techniques from kids are punsihing them because they disapprove of their behavior, not because the consequences are genuine. (since they are preventable)

    3. A kid living with some of the potential consequences-unintended pregnancy or AIDS may have their life ruined. To deliberately make negative outcomes more likely for religious reasons is little different from the Taliban's practice of stoning people for having sex.

    Would you consider it moral for me to keep safety equipment away from teen mountain climbers because I disapprove of mountain climbing?

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    1. If negative consequences are easily prevented, they are not consequences.

    2. People who keep prevention techniques from kids are punsihing them because they disapprove of their behavior, not because the consequences are genuine. (since they are preventable)

    3. A kid living with some of the potential consequences-unintended pregnancy or AIDS may have their life ruined. To deliberately make negative outcomes more likely for religious reasons is little different from the Taliban's practice of stoning people for having sex.

    Would you consider it moral for me to keep safety equipment away from teen mountain climbers because I disapprove of mountain climbing?
    It is much more than religious reasons. It has psychological impact on teens who have sex without thinking about it because it seems "fun". And you are correct, it is preventable by absitnence. Good call.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Not true actually. If kids had to live with consequences, they might actually think twice.
    All of human history tends to suggest otherwise.

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    No, it is not. Statistically it is a near certainty that it will happen.
    Are you sure about that? 98% is a giant significant number statistics wise it's more guaranteed than most things. In words it expressed near impossible that's pretty damn good.

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Most people manage to enjoy sex without getting married. I don't disagree that starting very young is more likely to have negative consequences, but having sex by age 16 is normal. The "psychological" impact is over-stated by the absexuals. It is usually caused by the sexist attitudes of others or a broken heart (getting dumped). The impact can be minimized with comprehensive sex ed that helps kids make informed choices and have reasonable expectations.

    Anyone who doesn't think sex is fun is doing it wrong or has a physical or psychological problem that can be treated.

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    Why should they be free? If you don't have the money to buy condoms, you don't have the money to raise a child.
    Maybe that's the point?
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    If a fertility specialist told you that, then they didn't know what they were talking about. Or, more likely, you misunderstood what it was they were telling you. And your mathematics are off.

    The average rate of pregnancy for couples who use condoms is 18 in 100 after one year. After 5 years of using nothing but condoms, that's a 63% chance of pregnancy (1-(.82^5)).
    The average rate of pregnancy for couples who use birth control pills is 9 in 100 after one year. After 5 years of using nothing but birth control pills, that's a 37.5% chance of pregnancy (1-(.91^5)).
    A couple using both condoms and birth control pills would have a 16 in 1000 (.18*.09 = .0162) chance of pregnancy after one year. After 5 years of using both methods, the chance of pregnancy is roughly 8%.

    These are the average failure rates for these kinds of birth control, not the rates for people who actually use them properly every time they have sex. Those numbers would be considerably lower.

    For comparison, the chance of pregnancy after a year of regular sex with no method of birth control is 85%. So by using either method of birth control, even imperfectly, you are considerably less likely to have a child after 5 years, than you would be to have a child after one if you used no birth control at all.
    No, you've over simplified the math. Statistics don't work that way. But I'm sure that the fertility specialist knew nothing of what he was talking about.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    No, you've over simplified the math. Statistics don't work that way.
    That is in fact exactly how statistics work. If you don't believe me then why don't you show me the math then and prove me wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    But I'm sure that the fertility specialist knew nothing of what he was talking about.
    I think I'd rather trust statistics I can go look up than a random person who may or may not be a fertility specialist that another random person on the internet may or may not have talked to and may or may not have understood.

    Your anecdotal evidence means nothing.
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