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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Disagree, Parents and society have failed, they glorify sex in immoral ways, that is the problem.
    Then parents in every society throughout history have similarly failed, and I don't see why you think that will ever change.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    98% effective means 2 out of every 100 times you will get pregnant. Even if you only have sex once a week, you are still getting pregnant every year.
    I think I see where your confusion is coming from now. That's not how statistics on birth control effectiveness work. The numbers given when someone talks about how effective a method of birth control is aren't the chances of getting pregnant after having sex one time. It's the number of couples who use that method who will get pregnant after one year. So that 98% effectiveness doesn't mean that 2 out of every 100 times you have sex you'll get pregnant. It means that if 100 women have sex regularly for a year, 2 of them on average will become pregnant. That's a huge difference. Your assertion that someone is almost guaranteed to get pregnant in a year while using condoms is completely unsupported by any research.

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    That's why websites like the one you posted are so dangerous. They give us a false sense of safety. They make us feel as though the magic tube of latex is going to make anything we do ok. The reality is, it is just slowing the frequency of pregnancy. That's it.
    Yes, a condom only lowers the frequency of pregnancy, that's true. But if used properly, it lowers the frequency A LOT. Even though they aren't perfect, condoms are still far better than using no birth control at all.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    LOL-----NO, definitely not consumed by my emotions--not these days anyway....I think all the time---I'm a Libra so constantly weighing the pros and cons on every darn issue......:-)
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Well then there is a chance a pregnancy might occur. That 2% doesn't necessarily get pregnant. Condoms are not 100% safe they just make 98x less likely there is a chance of pregnancy. Statistics wise that is a extremely almost impossible chance. That is 98x less likely your taxes may have to pay for a teenage pregnancy.
    No, it is not. Statistically it is a near certainty that it will happen.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    No, it is not. Statistically it is a near certainty that it will happen.
    I'm not sure why you keep saying this when it is blatantly false.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm not sure why you keep saying this when it is blatantly false.
    It is not blatantly false. It is mathematics. Ask a fertility specialist, they will tell you that use of condoms and birth control over a five year period should still result in a pregnancy.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Liberty View Post
    Should teenagers be given free condoms?
    Of course. But only alongside education programs that teach them about the risks and benefits of different methods of contraception and the moral implications of unwanted pregnancy.

    When teens are considered mature enough to drive or even to shoot guns, they're without the slightest doubt mature enough to understand the risks of sex and are capable of making informed decisions if provided with the necessary information.

    And teaching abstinence is fine; but it should be *additional* to providing teens with information on safe sex, not instead.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    It is not blatantly false. It is mathematics. Ask a fertility specialist, they will tell you that use of condoms and birth control over a five year period should still result in a pregnancy.
    If a fertility specialist told you that, then they didn't know what they were talking about. Or, more likely, you misunderstood what it was they were telling you. And your mathematics are off.

    The average rate of pregnancy for couples who use condoms is 18 in 100 after one year. After 5 years of using nothing but condoms, that's a 63% chance of pregnancy (1-(.82^5)).
    The average rate of pregnancy for couples who use birth control pills is 9 in 100 after one year. After 5 years of using nothing but birth control pills, that's a 37.5% chance of pregnancy (1-(.91^5)).
    A couple using both condoms and birth control pills would have a 16 in 1000 (.18*.09 = .0162) chance of pregnancy after one year. After 5 years of using both methods, the chance of pregnancy is roughly 8%.

    These are the average failure rates for these kinds of birth control, not the rates for people who actually use them properly every time they have sex. Those numbers would be considerably lower.

    For comparison, the chance of pregnancy after a year of regular sex with no method of birth control is 85%. So by using either method of birth control, even imperfectly, you are considerably less likely to have a child after 5 years, than you would be to have a child after one if you used no birth control at all.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    98% effective means 2 out of every 100 times you will get pregnant. Even if you only have sex once a week, you are still getting pregnant every year. That's why websites like the one you posted are so dangerous. They give us a false sense of safety. They make us feel as though the magic tube of latex is going to make anything we do ok. The reality is, it is just slowing the frequency of pregnancy. That's it.

    Trust me, I was in the same boat you are. I thought for sure that condoms and birth control ended any chance of pregnancy. I got a real smack in the face when my wife and I went to a fertility clinic and they told us what I'm telling you.
    The figures derive from reliable government sources. Properly used birth control pills are .3% effective, with condom use in addition, the chance of pregnancy is miniscule.

    You are misunderstanding how the effectiveness figures work, much like a deluded gambler. The odds don't accumulate, they are the same everytime.

    Also, we allow and encourage risky behavior by teens routinely including football playing, mountain climbing, sailing etc. We don't simply tell kids not to do these things, we train them on how to do them safely and we provide them with safety equipment. Sex should be handled the same way: without all the superstition, hypocrisy, preaching and misleading scare tactics which are proven to be counter productive.

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Disagree, Parents and society have failed, they glorify sex in immoral ways, that is the problem.
    Its fine to have that opinion, but it is even more immoral to prevent kids from having easy access to the tools for having safer sex, when it has been proven that it will not stop them from doing it anyways. The consequences of such ignorance and self righteousness are deadly.

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