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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    You don't see the difference between the risks of playing football and sex? Then let me point it out for you. Only the latter can introduce a helpless innocent life into this world that will be your responsibility for at least 18 years.
    Not if you use oral contraceptives and a condom (very close to 100% effective in combination) and consider abortion an option. Also, a football player with a serious head, neck or spinal injury can wind up helplessly crippled for life.

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Know what else discourages teen pregnancies? Telling teenagers that if they get knocked up, the government won't support them and they're SOL.
    Yeah right. Teenagers don't exercise that kind of foresight in their decision making - especially when it comes to getting poonanny. Well, at least not the kind of teenagers who are at risk of teenage pregnancy.

    "Come on, Jimmy. I want you inside me."

    "Sorry, babe. The government isn't going to give me foodstamps if I knock you up. Let's wait about 10 years until we're financially able to handle a baby. Whaddya say we play some nice and safe Monopoly tonight instead?"

    Really?

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Not if you use oral contraceptives and a condom (very close to 100% effective in combination) and consider abortion an option. Also, a football player with a serious head, neck or spinal injury can wind up helplessly crippled for life.
    Let me teach you some math and logic by example:

    0.02 * 1000 > 0.50 * 20 > 0.02 * 100

    The point of this lesson is that for any two probabilities strictly between 0 and 1, the numbers of respective trials are still free variables. The example demonstrates that they can be chosen such that either results in a greater expected value of successes.

    Applied to the issue at hand, if the number of kids screwing greatly increases because they have an increase in security then the number of teen pregnancies can still rise.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    This is a straightforward issue of money. Which option costs taxpayers less. Ideology shouldn't even enter into the discussion.

    Like it or not, unwanted teen pregnancies cost taxpayers money. Unless you're in favor of letting babies starve, someone has to pay to feed and support those children. When the parent is unable to support the child financially (as is often the case with teens), SOMEONE has to foot the bill. Often that means taxpayers. Like it or not, them's the brakes. Deal with it.

    Now, that being the case, providing teens with condoms will cost the taxpayers money. On the other hand, there is reason to believe that providing those condoms will reduce the number of unwanted teen pregnancies and, therefore, the amount of money taxpayers have to fork over to support babies that don't have financially-able parents. It's a simple question of which option costs the taxpayers less overall.

    I've never seen any data on that, probably there are some studies out there. If I had to guess, I would guess the free condoms are cheaper overall. If that's the case, then anybody who votes against free condoms is, effectively, voting to trade in $1 and get back $0.75 in return. Keep that in mind.

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Hint: Sex feels good. People like to do what feels good.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I agree, but in all reality, I feel defeated. A parent can do a great job raising a kid and the kid just decides not to listen. Why put unborn kids already down a slippery path when you could just offer up free prevention.
    Why allow your kids to ruin their own lives when you could just raise them right in the first place? If your kids are ignoring you, maybe it's not them that's doing something wrong.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    This is a straightforward issue of money. Which option costs taxpayers less. Ideology shouldn't even enter into the discussion.

    Like it or not, unwanted teen pregnancies cost taxpayers money. Unless you're in favor of letting babies starve, someone has to pay to feed and support those children. When the parent is unable to support the child financially (as is often the case with teens), SOMEONE has to foot the bill. Often that means taxpayers. Like it or not, them's the brakes. Deal with it.

    Now, that being the case, providing teens with condoms will cost the taxpayers money. On the other hand, there is reason to believe that providing those condoms will reduce the number of unwanted teen pregnancies and, therefore, the amount of money taxpayers have to fork over to support babies that don't have financially-able parents. It's a simple question of which option costs the taxpayers less overall.

    I've never seen any data on that, probably there are some studies out there. If I had to guess, I would guess the free condoms are cheaper overall. If that's the case, then anybody who votes against free condoms is, effectively, voting to trade in $1 and get back $0.75 in return. Keep that in mind.
    I agree with this. In a perfect world the teenagers should have to take responsibility for themselves and buy their own condoms. In this world the principle of spending less of the taxpayer's money overrides the previous principle for me. This is assuming that providing the condoms costs less overall, which I have no data for.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Hint: Sex feels good. People like to do what feels good.
    Personal responsibility should trump fun or pleasure.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I agree with this. In a perfect world the teenagers should have to take responsibility for themselves and buy their own condoms. In this world the principle of spending less of the taxpayer's money overrides the previous principle for me. This is assuming that providing the condoms costs less overall, which I have no data for.
    Why can't mom and dad provide them to their kids? Grow some responsibility, talk to your kids about sex and give them protection.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Why can't mom and dad provide them to their kids? Grow some responsibility, talk to your kids about sex and give them protection.
    They should in a perfect world. In this world I'm not sure expecting that is feasible. I'd rather pay less than count on the parents to buy condoms for their kids.
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