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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I find that kind of thinking rather silly and defeatist. It's like saying "well, teenagers are going to join gangs, do drugs and shoot each other anyway, therefore..." It's absurd. I'd rather teenagers be raised properly in the first place to be responsible and understand the consequences of their decisions, something that's lacking in this country at the moment.
    I agree, but in all reality, I feel defeated. A parent can do a great job raising a kid and the kid just decides not to listen. Why put unborn kids already down a slippery path when you could just offer up free prevention.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I agree that a lot of parents are worse at parenting today than parents in the past - that, however, is a direct result of the idiotic concept that once the kid pops out he/she becomes the responsibility of the state - for some reason, parents today believe that they gain all the government benefits of successful child-birth but carry none of the responsibility of tending to the needs and growth of that child through to adulthood. At every stage of child growth, parents today are looking to the government to provide the parenting - childcare, breakfast programs, schooling, extra-curricular activities, summer programs, etc. etc. and now sex education, counselling and condoms.
    I guess you miss the good old days of malnourished, uneducated, unclothed children working 14 hours a day on the family farm or in a factory.

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I guess you miss the good old days of malnourished, uneducated, unclothed children working 14 hours a day on the family farm or in a factory.
    WOW! Will that really happen if we don't give out free condoms?
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    And also to teach their children proper moral values and common sense.

    How sad that government-issued “free” condoms are now seen as an acceptable substitute for all this.
    And teaching them safe sex is apart of teaching them proper moral values, and common sense.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    When I was in Belgium almost every girl is on birth control at 14, and only a very small number are not. They don't have high teen pregnancies, when they went to the U.S. on exchange they were surprised to see teen girls getting pregnant and not on birth control.
    You shouldn't have said that. "Libertarian" and conservatives idiots* already have an irrational fear of anything they think smells like socialism. Now that such a program actually works in Europe they will have another reason to oppose it, because we're Americans goddammit, we're too arrogant to learn anything from the experiences of another nation, because we're so special.

    *I'm not saying that all conservatives and libertarians are idiots.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I suppose you are against public schools and "slow children" signs and public parks also.
    Public schools very much works on the same principle. The other two not so much.

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    In case anyone's opinion is influenced by the facts:

    * A comparison of public high schools in New York City and Chicago found positive effects of condom availability programs. With the same sexual activity among senior high students in both cities (NYC, 59.7 percent; Chicago, 60.1 percent), sexually active students in New York, where there is a condom availability program, were more likely to report using a condom at last intercourse than were those in Chicago, where condoms are not available in school (60.8 to 55.5 percent).1
    * In a two-year study of Philadelphia health resource centers (HRCs) that make condoms available, the percent of students using condoms at last intercourse increased from 52 to 58 percent. In schools with high HRC use, the number of students ever having intercourse dropped from 75 to 66 percent, while condom use at last intercourse rose from 37 to 50 percent.2
    * By comparison, in schools reporting lower HRC use, the percentage of sexually active teens decreased from 61 to 56 percent, while condom use a last intercourse rose from 57 to 61 percent. Non-program schools showed an increase in sexual activity among teens, while condom use increased from 62 to 65 percent.2

    Condom Availability Programs Do Not Promote Sexual Activity.

    * A study of New York City's school condom availability program found a significant increase in condom use among sexually active students but no increase in sexual activity.1
    * A World Health Organization review of studies on sexuality education found that access to counseling and contraceptive services did not encourage earlier or increased sexual activity.3
    * In Europe and Canada where comprehensive sexuality education and convenient, confidential access to condoms are more common, the rates of adolescent sexual intercourse are no higher than in the United States.4

    References

    1. Guttmacher S, Lieberman L, Ward D, et al. Condom availability in New York City public high schools: relationships to condom use and sexual behavior. Am J Public Health 1997; 87:1427- 1433.
    2. Furstenberg FF, Geitz LM, Teitler JO, et al. Does condom availability make a difference? An evaluation of Philadelphia's health resource centers. Fam Plann Perspect 1997; 29:123-127.
    3. Baldo M, Aggleton P, Slutkin G. Poster presentation to the Ninth International Conference on AIDS, Berlin, 6-10 June 1993. Geneva, Switzerland: World Health Organization, 1993.
    4. American Academy of Pediatrics, Committee on Adolescence. Condom availability for youth. Pediatrics 1995; 95:281-285.

    http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/449

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    WOW! Will that really happen if we don't give out free condoms?
    No, but it will happen more often if the extreme libertarians had their way and eliminated childcare, breakfast programs, schooling, extra-curricular activities, summer programs, etc.

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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    That sounds all nice and libertarian on a shallow level, but when a teenager gets pregnant it affects the child, the grandparents and society, not just the teen parents. Pregnant teens have a hard time finishing high school and suffer economically for much of their lives.
    Kids ****, we have the means to make it safer, we should make it available, just like we make other safety devices available for other activities with risk.
    Well that's too bad. If the kid has a kid then they forfeit the rest of their time being a kid and must take responsibility. If it means they have to drop out of high school, get a crappy job and go back for their GED later then that's their problem. Smart kids will see those who get pregnant struggle and learn to be cautious.

    I say this as one who was born to a single teen mother. Furthermore, my grandfather was a strict Catholic and kicked her out of the house for having me out of wedlock. I didn't get a great childhood because of our financial situation, but my mother taught me the right values. By the time I had kids, I was in my 30's and finished grad school. My suffering as a child was worth it, because it made me a set on being well prepared for my kids and a better father. The moral of the story is that the cost of mistakes often teaches lessons to multiple people. Those who can't make the best of a tough situation don't deserve better. Personal responsibility is key.
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    Re: Should teenagers be given free condoms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I've never understood why we have no problem with kids doing risky things such as playing football, mountain climbing, surfing etc., but when it comes to sex, any risk becomes unacceptable. With the other activities we teach the kids how to do it safely and responsibly and provide them with access to safety equipment. The only reason we don't do that with sex is because of religion/superstition and the irrational shame and hypocrisy that it encourages. Nearly everyone will have sex, everyone needs to learn how to do it safely and responsibly. Safe sex is possible thanks to condoms etc., lets stop pretending that we still live in the time when there was no method for having safer sex.
    You don't see the difference between the risks of playing football and sex? Then let me point it out for you. Only the latter can introduce a helpless innocent life into this world that will be your responsibility for at least 18 years.
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