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    Is Snowden a patriot?

    Is Snowden a patriot for leaking that the NSA was tapping thousands of phone calls without warrants?

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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    I hope Obama drones his ***!
    "With me everything turns into mathematics."
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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I hope Obama drones his ***!
    Rather then using abusive language against Snowden, why don't you elaborate on why you think he deserves to die? This is the problem with most people, they would rather soak in whatever the media tells them and use logical fallacies to make their point rather then intelligently explain their position.

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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Liberty View Post
    Rather then using abusive language against Snowden, why don't you elaborate on why you think he deserves to die? This is the problem with most people, they would rather soak in whatever the media tells them and use logical fallacies to make their point rather then intelligently explain their position.
    You're right, that is the problem with most people. However, I teach classified applied math to our military and know how infosec works.

    When you take a position requiring trust and break that trust, the consequences should be proportional to the degree of trust that was given. For example, cops breaking the law should receive harsher sentences than civilians. Moreover, an intentional breach is the worst kind. This wasn't like a slip of the tongue. In particular, releasing secrets for enemies is about as unpatriotic as it gets. Lastly, I find life sentences to prison pointless, so just kill him and get it over with.
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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    You're right, that is the problem with most people. However, I teach classified applied math to our military and know how infosec works.

    When you take a position requiring trust and break that trust, the consequences should be proportional to the degree of trust that was given. For example, cops breaking the law should receive harsher sentences than civilians. Moreover, an intentional breach is the worst kind. This wasn't like a slip of the tongue. In particular, releasing secrets for enemies is about as unpatriotic as it gets. Lastly, I find life sentences to prison pointless, so just kill him and get it over with.
    First off: Snowden did not release information to the "enemy", unless you consider U.S citizens the enemy.

    Second off: Snowden did not compromise our national security! I get sick of saying this! He was trying to let his country know that they do not live in the free country they think they do. Telling people that the NSA is spying on their phone calls does NOT compromise our security. Snowden didn't leak blueprints for a bomb, or battle strategies for a war. He leaked that the government was breaking the laws in place for THEM.

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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Liberty View Post
    First off: Snowden did not release information to the "enemy", unless you consider U.S citizens the enemy.

    Second off: Snowden did not compromise our national security! I get sick of saying this! He was trying to let his country know that they do not live in the free country they think they do. Telling people that the NSA is spying on their phone calls does NOT compromise our security. Snowden didn't leak blueprints for a bomb, or battle strategies for a war. He leaked that the government was breaking the laws in place for THEM.
    1. WTF do you think he went to HK and RU for?
    2. Say it all you want, you're wrong.
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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    1. WTF do you think he went to HK and RU for?
    2. Say it all you want, you're wrong.
    He went to HK because people like you want to kill him! You just expect him to stay in the U.S and be executed for telling the truth!

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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Liberty View Post
    Is Snowden a patriot for leaking that the NSA was tapping thousands of phone calls without warrants?
    He is no patriot
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Liberty View Post
    Is Snowden a patriot for leaking that the NSA was tapping thousands of phone calls without warrants?
    Snowden is dirt.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    He is no patriot
    Elaborate please...he revealed that United States was spying on it's citizens without warrants!

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