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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If we want a transparent government we need whistleblowers like Snowden.
    Why? All they do is martyr themselves for media attention before an uncaring populace that turns a blind eye to anything they can't solve by wearing kitschy t shirt, or donating pocket change.

    I certainly don't blame him for not turning himself in considering what happened to Bradley Manning who was kept in isolation and tortured.
    Bradley Manning was rightfully imprisoned for what he did.
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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Why? All they do is martyr themselves for media attention before an uncaring populace that turns a blind eye to anything they can't solve by wearing kitschy t shirt, or donating pocket change.
    Snowden only gave one interview. I think he did this country a service by bringing the NSA to the publics attention which has allowed public debate on just how much of our liberty we're willing to give up in the name of security.

    Bradley Manning was rightfully imprisoned for what he did.
    Thats debatable.

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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Snowden only gave one interview. I think he did this country a service by bringing the NSA to the publics attention which has allowed public debate on just how much of our liberty we're willing to give up in the name of security.
    It was already brought to the public's attention in 2006. AT&T faced a lawsuit, but was let off the hook by Congress while the Supreme Court declared that they would not hear any case on the matter. The American people failed, just like they'll fail again and again and again, no matter what the public debate is about.



    Thats debatable.
    No it isn't. He was an active member of the military who stole and disseminated classified military documents. There's no "grey area" in UCMJ like there is with civilian law.
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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    It was already brought to the public's attention in 2006. AT&T faced a lawsuit, but was let off the hook by Congress while the Supreme Court declared that they would not hear any case on the matter. The American people failed, just like they'll fail again and again and again, no matter what the public debate is about.
    The public has a short attention span. But I remember that lawsuit and thinking I was glad I wasn't an AT&T customer. I also remember the government reassuring the public they wouldn't be spied on and the FBI and police would still need to get a warrant from a secret court. So it's good that Snowden brought it back into the limelight and exposed the government abusing the NSA wiretap laws. How we would know unless someone was brave enough to blow the whistle?

    No it isn't. He was an active member of the military who stole and disseminated classified military documents. There's no "grey area" in UCMJ like there is with civilian law.
    From what I understand neither Manning or Snowden released any information that couldn't already be found on the internet or that terrorists didn't already know. Seems the only people who don't know or care what our country is doing are the American people.

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    Is Snowden a patriot? I don't think so. He might be on their practice squad, though.
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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    How we would know unless someone was brave enough to blow the whistle?
    Deductive reasoning.

    From what I understand neither Manning or Snowden released any information that couldn't already be found on the internet or that terrorists didn't already know.
    Manning stole classified documents and disseminated them illegally. Nothing about that is debatable.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Deductive reasoning.


    Manning stole classified documents and disseminated them illegally. Nothing about that is debatable.
    how do these instances differ from the disclosure of the pentagon papers?
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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Snowden and Manning constitute the totality of our transparent government.

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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    how do these instances differ from the disclosure of the pentagon papers?
    Daniel Ellsberg wasn't a member of the Uniformed Services, nor was he ever a member of the CIA.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    You're right, that is the problem with most people. However, I teach classified applied math to our military and know how infosec works.

    When you take a position requiring trust and break that trust, the consequences should be proportional to the degree of trust that was given. For example, cops breaking the law should receive harsher sentences than civilians. Moreover, an intentional breach is the worst kind. This wasn't like a slip of the tongue. In particular, releasing secrets for enemies is about as unpatriotic as it gets. Lastly, I find life sentences to prison pointless, so just kill him and get it over with.
    Are you familiar with "the public trust"? What should happen to those that break the trust given politicians by consent of the people?

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