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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They are only lawful because the government defined it as such. They have given no actual proof to the constitutionality of their aggressive force against our rights. Snowden represents the necessary checks on government force and the necessity of the People to be educated towards the concerns of the government and its actions it takes against us.
    All three branches of government participated in their duly established constitutional roles. There's no issue.
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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    All three branches of government participated in their duly established constitutional roles. There's no issue.
    There is always issue when the government moves so aggressively as a whole against the rights and liberties of the individual.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There is always issue when the government moves so aggressively as a whole against the rights and liberties of the individual.
    Ah, but we the people did that.
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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Ah, but we the people did that.
    We the People established the Republic, indeed. With all the restrictions applied through the Constitution, and it is that contract the Government swears to uphold each and every time they take office. And thus breaking that oath is treason towards the People themselves.

    It's time you learn the difference between a Republic and a strict democracy.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We the People established the Republic, indeed. With all the restrictions applied through the Constitution, and it is that contract the Government swears to uphold each and every time they take office. And thus breaking that oath is treason towards the People themselves.

    It's time you learn the difference between a Republic and a strict democracy.
    Whatever terminology you choose, duly elected republican authorities conducted and oversaw the operations.
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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Whatever terminology you choose, duly elected republican authorities conducted and oversaw the operations.
    All government tends towards tyranny; tis the inevitable path of unrestrained government. The founders well warned against this, history has taught us this. A Republic understands the reality that government in corruptible and hence the final say is withing the People themselves. It doesn't matter what "duly elected authorities" (particularly when the system is rigged against competition and we are given no real choice is 'duly elected' ") have to say, should they act against the rights and liberties of the individual it is the People's prerogative, their duty, to replace it with one that will protect the People's freedom.

    The fatal flaw of your argument is that it assumes that our "duly elected republican authorities" are telling us the truth and the whole truth. Which is why it breaks down. Those in charge have obviously defined their actions in a way that would be "legal" according to themselves.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    All government tends towards tyranny; tis the inevitable path of unrestrained government. The founders well warned against this, history has taught us this. A Republic understands the reality that government in corruptible and hence the final say is withing the People themselves. It doesn't matter what "duly elected authorities" (particularly when the system is rigged against competition and we are given no real choice is 'duly elected' ") have to say, should they act against the rights and liberties of the individual it is the People's prerogative, their duty, to replace it with one that will protect the People's freedom.

    The fatal flaw of your argument is that it assumes that our "duly elected republican authorities" are telling us the truth and the whole truth. Which is why it breaks down. Those in charge have obviously defined their actions in a way that would be "legal" according to themselves.
    I feel not the slightest threat from those operations.
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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I feel not the slightest threat from those operations.
    I would not expect a Statist to protest. So what impact is your comment here other than to deflect against any other point proposed?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I would not expect a Statist to protest. So what impact is your comment here other than to deflect against any other point proposed?
    I merely try to point out the nonsensical nature of alarmist posts.
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    Re: Is Snowden a patriot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I merely try to point out the nonsensical nature of alarmist posts.
    And I the nonsensical nature of the placid posts
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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