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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Would you have the state legislature throw out the whole primary process? Would we ignore the whole gerry-mandered problem requiring the the 17th? And wouldn't the local crime bosses we still have just fill more of the "lobbying" void?
    so your saying its better to have the rich and powerful ,corporations, special interest groups, who might not share any of your states interest lobbying your senator in d.c. better?

    since the creation of the 17th, we have seen long tern serving senators of 51 years, and corruption of d.c. grow,

    i ask you again, why are you against state representation, and only for representation of the people, ..that is democracy .....and the founders did not want to type of government becuase it destroys itself in the end.

    the founders wanted power divided in our nation, so no one could become to powerful, and if you give the people 100% total direct power, ,they will use that power against the minority.......that's what democracy does......

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Which states were so currupt that we needed the 17th?

    Did I say it's better in the first statement of yours? This Country has a sordid history in figuring out crooked ways to get around laws and amendments to prevent the crooks from being crooked?

    Which crooks do you want in power? Do you believe in the term limits placed on governors in states like Virginia and Indiana?

    This term limit stuff always seems to come from the GOP, as they were so successful with in 1994 and 2010.

    I have my own term limits, as well as expanding individual terms. Two 6-year terms for the POTUSA, with my reasons. Leave the Senate terms alone, and move up to a 3-year terms for the House, with my reasons. A better common denominator of 6.

    I'd like to see Obama go to the House when he's done and become the Speaker.

    I like 18 STRAIGHT years in either chamber with the ability to move to the other chamber for 18 more and so on. That is a state right.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so your saying its better to have the rich and powerful ,corporations, special interest groups, who might not share any of your states interest lobbying your senator in d.c. better?

    since the creation of the 17th, we have seen long tern serving senators of 51 years, and corruption of d.c. grow,

    i ask you again, why are you against state representation, and only for representation of the people, ..that is democracy .....and the founders did not want to type of government becuase it destroys itself in the end.

    the founders wanted power divided in our nation, so no one could become to powerful, and if you give the people 100% total direct power, ,they will use that power against the minority.......that's what democracy does......
    Last edited by NIMBY; 06-30-13 at 06:55 PM.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Please excuse my poor typing before I edited.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    I'm trying to find where I said I'm against state representation. I vote for my state reps and senators. They've done a lousy job since I began voting in 1972 but I'm stuck with them.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so your saying its better to have the rich and powerful ,corporations, special interest groups, who might not share any of your states interest lobbying your senator in d.c. better?

    since the creation of the 17th, we have seen long tern serving senators of 51 years, and corruption of d.c. grow,

    i ask you again, why are you against state representation, and only for representation of the people, ..that is democracy .....and the founders did not want to type of government becuase it destroys itself in the end.

    the founders wanted power divided in our nation, so no one could become to powerful, and if you give the people 100% total direct power, ,they will use that power against the minority.......that's what democracy does......

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Which states were so currupt that we needed the 17th?

    Did I say it's better in the first statement of yours? This Country has a sordid history in figuring out crooked ways to get around laws and amendments to prevent the crooks from being crooked?

    Which crooks do you want in power? Do you believe in the term limits placed on governors in states like Virginia and Indiana?

    This term limit stuff always seems to come from the GOP, as they were so successful with in 1994 and 2010.

    I have my own term limits, as well as expanding individual terms. Two 6-year terms for the POTUSA, with my reasons. leave the Senate terms alone, and up to 3-year terms for the House, with my reasons A better common denominator of 6., with the ability to move to the other chamber and back-and-forth.

    I'd like to see Obama go to the House when he's done and become the Speaker.

    I like 18 STRAIGHT years in either chamber

    first :why does this have to go towards a political slang of republicans ..this is not a partisan issue at all, so dont even go there.

    tell me by having the senator appointed, do you believe the state legislature would keep sending same guy back to the senate for years and years...no, becuase state legislature turn over more easily and frequently then our federal ones.

    one senator would never be returned to the senate for 51 years...there are your term limits.

    for obama to leave the office of the president and step into the speaker position has never happen in our history, and would be concerned a step DOWN, only people have gone on TO A HIGHER CONSIDERED POSITION ...USSC.

    the term set for congress are set at those for a reason, but to know that you have to read the federalist papers, and why they did it, they didn't pick a numbers out of thin air.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by nimby View Post
    i'm trying to find where i said i'm against state representation. I vote for my state reps and senators. They've done a lousy job since i began voting in 1972 but i'm stuck with them.
    as the founders statE and well as the Aristotle, ...when people vote, they always vote in their own self interest.

    That is why the house is for the people thru a direct vote.

    and the senate in a indirect vote of the people by electing their legislature.

    When you vote for you senator ,do you vote for him on what he will do on a national level, or do you vote for him, and what he will do to help the state legislature of your state, maintain itS power, and see that the state runs smoothly.......no you dont

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    And they didn't know House members would work as little as they do in yet-to-be-imagined times. It is not a coincidence or secret that Repubs control state legislatures in which they cannot elect Senators, therefore I will continue to go there. Time for dinner.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    first :why does this have to go towards a political slang of republicans ..this is not a partisan issue at all, so dont even go there.

    tell me by having the senator appointed, do you believe the state legislature would keep sending same guy back to the senate for years and years...no, becuase state legislature turn over more easily and frequently then our federal ones.

    one senator would never be returned to the senate for 51 years...there are your term limits.

    for obama to leave the office of the president and step into the speaker position has never happen in our history, and would be concerned a step DOWN, only people have gone on TO A HIGHER CONSIDERED POSITION ...USSC.

    the term set for congress are set at those for a reason, but to know that you have to read the federalist papers, and why they did it, they didn't pick a numbers out of thin air.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And they didn't know House members would work as little as they do in yet-to-be-imagined times. It is not a coincidence or secret that Repubs control state legislatures in which they cannot elect Senators, therefore I will continue to go there. Time for dinner.
    dude you really need to get over the partisanship.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    I sure don't want Chicago Dems to elect a Senator from the legislature. We would not have gotten Durbin. But we may have gotten Jesse Jr, headed for jail. Is their proof on the 51 years? Who is to say they won't put in the same crooked wing of their crooked party and/or crime family. Imagine if a new 2-year legislature couldn't agree on a Senator?
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    first :why does this have to go towards a political slang of republicans ..this is not a partisan issue at all, so dont even go there.

    tell me by having the senator appointed, do you believe the state legislature would keep sending same guy back to the senate for years and years...no, becuase state legislature turn over more easily and frequently then our federal ones.

    one senator would never be returned to the senate for 51 years...there are your term limits.

    for obama to leave the office of the president and step into the speaker position has never happen in our history, and would be concerned a step DOWN, only people have gone on TO A HIGHER CONSIDERED POSITION ...USSC.

    the term set for congress are set at those for a reason, but to know that you have to read the federalist papers, and why they did it, they didn't pick a numbers out of thin air.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Everything in this Country is about partisanship. Dems are behind the 8-ball because they can't stomach the 24/7/365 fight. Attacks on the 14th and 16th are well under way, and not by Dems.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    dude you really need to get over the partisanship.

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