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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Of course not. States don't need representation. People need representation.
    Don't the people of the state have an interest in their state not being pushed around by the federal government? One of the issue we have now is the federal government continually passing bully legislation and threatening federal highway funds and the such if the states don't do their bidding. I would think that states might have more clout to stand up for themselves if there were a balance and one of the bodies represented the states (who, in turn, represent their people).
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    The original purpose of senators was to represent the STATE not the people. You already have a representative, why do you need another 2 where your power to remove or elect them is much further diluted hence they are not nearly accountable. Were as when the state elected them they were accountable to the legislative body of that state, and therefor even MORE accountable. The states no longer are represented directly as an entity as they were before. States have interests that differ from that of the populous at large hence why they need to be represented directly, as originally intended.
    Maybe if we redraw all the State districts to eliminate all gerrymandering first, we could get representation the way it was originally intended in the House. Only then would we even think of letting State representatives choose Senators. The way it is now the Senate is the only body that even remotely represents the people of the State, why would we ever give that up?

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Maybe if we redraw all the State districts to eliminate all gerrymandering first, we could get representation the way it was originally intended in the House. Only then would we even think of letting State representatives choose Senators. The way it is now the Senate is the only body that even remotely represents the people of the State, why would we ever give that up?
    the senate is not supposed to represent the people, .......it supposed to represent the states.

    why would you have the house represent the people and then the senate represent the people, you have the same power the people in both chambers of congress, the founders did not create such a system for a reason....to divide power, ............divided power cannot become tyrannical.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Should the reasons for the 17th amendment be ignored?
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the senate is not supposed to represent the people, .......it supposed to represent the states.

    why would you have the house represent the people and then the senate represent the people, you have the same power the people in both chambers of congress, the founders did not create such a system for a reason....to divide power, ............divided power cannot become tyrannical.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the senate is not supposed to represent the people, .......it supposed to represent the states.

    why would you have the house represent the people and then the senate represent the people, you have the same power the people in both chambers of congress, the founders did not create such a system for a reason....to divide power, ............divided power cannot become tyrannical.
    The gerrymandering in the States has eliminated the House as "representative" of the people. The Senate is the only place where the people actually elect anybody. Get rid of the gerrymandering if you want things as the "founders intended". Then we might discuss your proposal.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Don't the people of the state have an interest in their state not being pushed around by the federal government? One of the issue we have now is the federal government continually passing bully legislation and threatening federal highway funds and the such if the states don't do their bidding. I would think that states might have more clout to stand up for themselves if there were a balance and one of the bodies represented the states (who, in turn, represent their people).
    How would state legislatures (which are elected by the people of the state) electing senators protect those states from being "pushed around by the federal government" that direct election would not? And of course, the history of our nation is rife with examples of the federal government protecting the people from the states, not the other way around.
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Should the reasons for the 17th amendment be ignored?
    tell me which is easier?, a centralized place in d.c. were lobbyist can go, like a "one stop shop center"

    or lobbyist would have to visit every state what they wish to get a vote from the senators and lobby the whole state legislature, since it is the legislature, who directs the senators how to vote?

    what i am saying is this will help break up lobbyist power in Washington
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    No, the power elites already have too much control over them once they are elected.

    Might as well make those special interests PAY for that power through campaign contributions overt and covert in an election process.

    Why give a Senator to them for free? They can afford it.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The gerrymandering in the States has eliminated the House as "representative" of the people. The Senate is the only place where the people actually elect anybody. Get rid of the gerrymandering if you want things as the "founders intended". Then we might discuss your proposal.
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Would you have the state legislature throw out the whole primary process? Would we ignore the whole gerry-mandered problem requiring the the 17th? And wouldn't the local crime bosses we still have just fill more of the "lobbying" void?
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    tell me which is easier?, a centralized place in d.c. were lobbyist can go, like a "one stop shop center"

    or lobbyist would have to visit every state what they wish to get a vote from the senators and lobby the whole state legislature, since it is the legislature, who directs the senators how to vote?

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