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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    by having the 17th amendment to our constitution it has moved us closer to democracy, expect for the electoral collage, once that is gone we will be a democracy for sure!

    Madison a great thinker says directly that democratic government is very factious...and it is.......and we the american people COMPLAIN ABOUT IT....WHY?......when we call for more democracy, if you want democracy, then you have to take the faction the special interest that goes along with it that controls our government.

    its silly to complain about government ......and then promote , what is causing the problem
    With the "winner take all" rules for selecting members of the Electoral College, we are perilously close to democracy in Presidential elections. It's why the House is controlled by one party and the executive branch by another...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    With the "winner take all" rules for selecting members of the Electoral College, we are perilously close to democracy in Presidential elections. It's why the House is controlled by one party and the executive branch by another...
    another reason is becuase the federal government is outside the constitution this allows government to buy votes of the people by promising them things...healthcare, welfare, and other laws which plays to the people

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I'm a hardhead and think that as long as we keep electing people to office that love money, and most of our Senators and Congressmen of both sexes are millionaires, then we will be working with flawed materials and the result will be what we have, flawed gov't. Of money, by money, for the money. Screw a bunch of voters. What the hell does one vote buy. Nuttin' honey. Now try a million dollars and see how many votes you can buy.
    you are correct and this relates to faction or special interest, which democracy encourages.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Trying to bring back maddisons ideal government without accounting for all the changes that has happened since Madison's era is naive.

    you are discounting republican government has if you have lived under it, and no one has, it ended in 1913 officially.

    america lived under it for over 100 years, and we came from nothing on the world stage, to a power to revel other nations, who had been around for centuries.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    If you think maddisons ideal form of government is immune to the corruption of today's politics you are gravely mistaken.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you are discounting republican government has if you have lived under it, and no one has, it ended in 1913 officially.

    america lived under it for over 100 years, and we came from nothing on the world stage, to a power to revel other nations, who had been around for centuries.
    Is 1913 the year populism won out over the status quo

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    If you think maddisons ideal form of government is immune to the corruption of today's politics you are gravely mistaken.
    i did not say that, i said that Republican government is less factious....as Madison in #10 states.

    you are never going to totally get rid of faction..but why would everyone want to promote a type of government Madison states is very factious?

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Is 1913 the year populism won out over the status quo

    populist government is democracy and the founders hated it, be it representative or direct.

    it is destroying us., and will continue to do so.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    populist government is democracy and the founders hated it, be it representative or direct.

    it is destroying us., and will continue to do so.
    Funny how the founding fathers hate the notion of the people holding power.

    There is a reason why some people consider the champion of the populist movement, Wisconsin senator Robert la Follette sr., to be one of America's most influential senators.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Funny how the founding fathers hate the notion of the people holding power.

    There is a reason why some people consider the champion of the populist movement, Wisconsin senator Robert la Follette sr., to be one of America's most influential senators.
    they are not against people holding power, people hold power in the house.

    and people hold power over the legislature who appoint senators, this gives people direct and indirect power.

    again if you give people all direct power they will become tyrannical....history proves that.

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