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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Why would you want politicians elected by other politicians?
    I would rather have people who know the states politics to be part of the process than excluded.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Why would you want politicians elected by other politicians?
    becuase when you have all the elected positions of our federal government chosen directly by the people...that is tyranny, ...becuase when the people have all the power, be it anyone who holds all the power, be it one, a few or the many, can be tyrannical.

    James Madison federalist 47--The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, selfappointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.

    wherever the people have power, they always work as a collective, Madison says... people can be elected in a collective way, however they are excluded from government in a collective capacity, because the senate is in the hands of the states.

    James Madison federalist 63--The true distinction between these and the American governments, lies in the total exclusion of the people, in their collective capacity, from any share in the latter, and not in the total exclusion of the representatives of the people from the administration of the former.

    the founders did not want the government controlled directly by the people, or they would work as a collective body, becuase collective bodies do NOT respect individual rights.....and americans have individual rights.

    Collectivism is an outlook stressing the priority of group goals over individual goals and the importance of cohesion within social groups. Collectivism is a basic cultural element that exists as the opposite of individualism, which is any philosophic, political, religious, economic, or social outlook which emphasizes the interdependence of every human being. Collectivists usually focus on community, society, or nation. It is used and has been used as an element in many different and diverse types of government and political, economic and educational philosophies throughout history, ranging from communalism, democracy, monarchy, and socialism to totalitarian nationalism and exists in some organized religions. Collectivism is sometimes confused with socialism, but while socialism, as a political and economic theory, draws more from collectivism than it does from individualism, it is directly concerned with perceived economic justice or injustice such as the elimination of private property. Collectivism regards group action as more important than individual action somewhat independently of cultural context, and does not propose a system of government and civil life, as socialism does and has been used in such ideologically opposite systems as monarchy. Most societies contain elements of both collectivism and individualism.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    becuase when you have all the elected positions of our federal government chosen directly by the people...that is tyranny, ...becuase when the people have all the power, be it anyone who holds all the power, be it one, a few or the many, can be tyrannical.
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Why do cons want two Gerry-mandered bodies of Congress? Why do these same Cons cherry-pick amendments they don't like since they don't run the Senate? We know the cons will implement the "nuclear" option. They have said this. Stop whining cons and change the constitution with a CC.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Yes the states should choose the senators. As it currently stands the state has no voice. I believe it's one reason we see state sovereignty dissipating for lack of a better term.
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