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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the states?
    That wouldn't exactly be taking the choice form the People, but exercising their choice through their Representatives. The process was created in its original form to provide for an Upper House populated by long term thinkers, accomplished and successful men, not little trolls like Harry Reid. Popular election of Senators was yet another method for allowing the general population to entrap themselves in the passion of the moment, that they might be more effectively controlled.
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I cannot understand why people would want to give up the power to directly elect senators?
    The only way to give state governments a say in the federal government, especially when it comes to unfunded mandates.
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    The only way to give state governments a say in the federal government, especially when it comes to unfunded mandates.
    Another good example... Would there be as many unfunded mandates if states had a say in the federal government?

    This thread has convinced me that we SHOULD go back. The federal government is as much the states as it is the people, and both should have representation as both have interests. Even the people's state interests are served better by the state having a balanced say in the federal Congress.

    I don't think it ever will go back, of course, but it should.
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    The only way to give state governments a say in the federal government, especially when it comes to unfunded mandates.
    I really think we need to have the states appoint senators, primarily for states rights and being able to vote down unfunded mandates.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I really think we need to have the states appoint senators, primarily for states rights and being able to vote down unfunded mandates.
    Plus, it just seems most most fair. The federal government needs to be accountable to someone other than itself.

    I'd be willing to let the US Senate be made of Senators sent there by their state legislatures and/or governors and concurrently doing away with the Electoral College. I think we're at a place now in history where I think the people are sophisticated enough to pick our President without help from more wise middle-men.

    FYI: Originally, the Electoral College was made up of delegates appointed by the state legislatures. It was only afterwards that all the state governments began allowing citizens to vote for their Elector College delegates. The practice we have now is nowhere in the US Constitution and in theory can be turned back over to state legislatures anytime a state chooses to. In fact, in 2000 there was talk of cancelling the election results in Florida and allowing the state legislature to replace it with their own vote and it would have been completely constitutional, more constitutional that what we do now.
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Another good example... Would there be as many unfunded mandates if states had a say in the federal government?

    This thread has convinced me that we SHOULD go back. The federal government is as much the states as it is the people, and both should have representation as both have interests. Even the people's state interests are served better by the state having a balanced say in the federal Congress.

    I don't think it ever will go back, of course, but it should.
    That is pretty much my position. We would have been less likely to lose federalism had the states the ability to see their interests represented as well.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Then the Senate could be ruled by Gerry-mandered state maps also, as the dysfunctional House is. Hence, the advent of the 17th. And yes, Repubs will employ the "nuclear" option the next time they can. Imagine Boehner/McConnell/Romney.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Breaking up power and sending most of it to the states would just kick the can down the road, not to mention greatly increasing the tension between states. Check out The Federalist Papers for a more thorough description of what I mean. Instead, the way to relieve the tension is (1) to make third parties more viable, a discussion that I will start sometime in the future; and (2) people should not be willing to resort to violence when they do not get their way.
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Breaking up power and sending most of it to the states would just kick the can down the road, not to mention greatly increasing the tension between states. Check out The Federalist Papers for a more thorough description of what I mean. Instead, the way to relieve the tension is (1) to make third parties more viable, a discussion that I will start sometime in the future; and (2) people should not be willing to resort to violence when they do not get their way.
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Why do we need two "people's houses?"
    Why would you want politicians elected by other politicians?
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