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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    as far as l know USA was founded on liberties ,not on restrictions

    democracy for all..
    democracy is the most vile form of government --James Madison father of the u.s. constitution.

    america was created with republican government, not democratic government

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    As stated by others tonight, they could not have envisioned today's world with its complexities and tech issues. I believe the 17th would have been ratified in 1913 especially knowing how partisan things are today. Could they imagine a GOP Congress, IMO hurting the Country, let's say the economy in Dem regions or with Dem constituents or even their own, just to get at the Dems?
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    in reading the constitution , it states the congress needs to meet at least once a year.

    they didn't envision a congress being in session so long as today.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    democracy is the most vile form of government --James Madison father of the u.s. constitution.

    america was created with republican government, not democratic government
    it depends on what kind of democracy he refers to

    because democracy is usually a two faced mask.


    for instance your fathers wanted usa to turn to an imperialist world power ?

    l dont think so because thats why they wanted to gain their indepedence from UK
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As stated by others tonight, they could not have envisioned today's world with its complexities and tech issues. I believe the 17th would have been ratified in 1913 especially knowing how partisan things are today. Could they imagine a GOP Congress, IMO hurting the Country, let's say the economy in Dem regions or with Dem constituents or even their own, just to get at the Dems?
    the problem is this, we do live in a more complex world, anyone will tell you that, however by having a senate in state hands, government must go thru the constitutional amendment process to get more powers, becuase under the current system, the federal government just create new powers for themselves as they take away state powers.

    this is why the 17th needed to be repealed becuase the powers of the states are being lost.

    the federal government only has 18 duties under our constitution, all other powers are the states, that's why we have a separation of powers.

    with the 17th the feds have stepped into state powers, and violating the Constitution.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    it depends on what kind of democracy he refers to

    because democracy is usually a two faced mask.
    our founders hated democracy be it direct or representative, by people will not reading the founders and find this for themselves,...they let other people tell them what our nation is, and its wrong.

    america started to be called a democracy around 1890's since then its what people believe, however even or own government of the past states its not a democracy in government books

    no the founders did not want america turned into an imperialist power, even government books from our military of the past say america is not suppose to be a military meddling power, it supposed to stay out of other government business, but it does not becuase the government is violating our constitution
    Last edited by Master PO; 06-30-13 at 10:35 PM.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    our founders hated democracy be it direct or representative, by people will not reading the founders and find this for themselves,...they let other people tell them what our nation is, and its wrong.

    america started to be called a democracy around 1890's since then its what people believe, however even or own government of the past states its not a democracy in government books
    l have to agree with that,,

    do you think you know what republicanism means?

    thats not despotism......
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    l have to agree with that,,

    do you think you know what republicanism means?

    thats not despotism......
    did you see my last line of the former post?

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    it depends on what kind of democracy he refers to

    because democracy is usually a two faced mask.


    for instance your fathers wanted usa to turn to an imperialist world power ?

    l dont think so because thats why they wanted to gain their indepedence from UK
    No, the Founding Father's wanted independence from the british crown. They were fine with being imperialist. Look at what they did to the Native Americans.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    l have to agree with that,,

    do you think you know what republicanism means?

    thats not despotism......

    An elective despotism was not the government we fought for; but one in which the powers of government should be so divided and balanced (pre 17th ) among the several bodies of magistracy as that no one could transcend their legal limits without being effectually checked and restrained by the others.

    James Madison: Federalist No. 58, 1788

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    did you see my last line of the former post?
    l just read it now.

    our goverment is violating our constitution too

    lets get rid of them

    but we need a real republic to do it

    a democratic one..
    "Sovereignty is not given, it is taken." ATATÜRK

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