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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    senators do not go back to the state and look at the concerns of the legislature, , they go back and talk to the voters who voted for them in ...........town hall meetings.
    Yes, they work for the state, so going back and talking to those who make up the state is appropriate.
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Today's House only works a 126-day year. They need a 3rd year to do what they used to do, especially working Tuesday--Thursday and then jet-setting around to be bought at fund-raisers.
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    Do you really want our Senate? We are paying them a lot of money and they don't even show up for work and they scam us for money. If they are not elected there is nothing to keep them accountable.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes, they work for the state, so going back and talking to those who make up the state is appropriate.
    before the 17th , senators were representatives of the state... not the people....now they are representatives of the people, just like the house, just on the large scale, and they dont address there stats legislators becuase they no longer control them, and direct there vote.

    both parts of congress being in the people hands is democracy, the only thing left of republican government is the electoral college, and and when that is wrong, we will be more like Europe.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Infrastructure would build itself without the 16th and states would not gerry-mander without the 17th. This is why we have 81% Dem CD's in Pennsylvania but only 55% ones that are Repub. Hence, the Repub move to splitting electoral votes.
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    The 16th, 17th, and 18th were all tremendous mistakes, and we're only 1 for 3 on the repeal.

    It was a incomprehensibly stupid, needless change.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Today's House only works a 126-day year. They need a 3rd year to do what they used to do, especially working Tuesday--Thursday and then jet-setting around to be bought at fund-raisers.
    in reading the constitution , it states the congress needs to meet at least once a year.

    they didn't envision a congress being in session so long as today.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    before the 17th , senators were representatives of the state... not the people....now they are representatives of the people, just like the house, just on the large scale, and they dont address there stats legislators becuase they no longer control them, and direct there vote.

    both parts of congress being in the people hands is democracy, the only thing left of republican government is the electoral college, and and when that is wrong, we will be more like Europe.
    It is not before the 17th is it? I explained the history for you earlier, repeating it back to me is kinda silly.

    "The states" are the people within the states.
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is not before the 17th is it? I explained the history for you earlier, repeating it back to me is kinda silly.

    "The states" are the people within the states.
    sorry no they are not.

    my example of obamacare, prove that's.

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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry no they are not.

    my example of obamacare, prove that's.
    So you want to change the constitution because people voted in a way you did not like? This is all about you can't win elections, so you want to stack the deck...
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    as far as l know USA was founded on liberties ,not on restrictions

    democracy for all..
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    Re: Should the choosing of Senators be taken from the people and given back to the st

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you want to change the constitution because people voted in a way you did not like? This is all about you can't win elections, so you want to stack the deck...
    no this is about power back to the state legislatures to stop the over reach of federal power.

    i going to give you some help here, if you read federalist 63 you will see why the senate is for representation of the states.

    the house by being directly elected by the people, ........is collectivist in its nature

    now i know that throws a red flag at you becuase...... liberals , are collectivist,/ socialist.minded, so anything that put the brakes on collectivism, you are going to be against.

    Madison in 63 states clearly.. the senate is there in the hands of the states to stop the collective capacity of the people in the house from trying pass collectivist laws, BUT becuase they senate is not collectivist by nature, becuase it under the constitution has no power to appropriate money to create programs, or dispense handouts to citizens.

    senate by being in states hands, welfare and federal programs, as we know them today would not exist.....becuase the senate would not have passed them.

    "The true distinction between these and the American governments, lies in the total exclusion of the people, in their collective capacity, from any share in the latter, and not in the total exclusion of the representatives of the people from the administration of the former-- federalist 63

    Madison is saying the people can vote collectedly, however collectivist legislation is barred because states control the senate.
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