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Thread: Is the term "Uncle Tom" racist? [W:56]

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    Re: Is the term "Uncle Tom" racist? [W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Generally the term Uncle Tom is used amongst black people to describe others whom we view as sell-outs and traitors to the race, who have lined up with groups that want to oppress and harm blacks as a whole. Given that context, I do find it offensive when non-black people use the term to describe blacks as it really is something that is mainly kept within the black community.
    Yeah, it's really bizarre that anyone would argue that it doesn't have racial overtones. I also see it as demanding african americans (who I see as culturally distinct from "blacks") adhere to a specific stereotyped set of behavior and standards.

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    Re: Is the term "Uncle Tom" racist? [W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It was inappropriate in the example that has recently come up, but because the guy who was talking about Clarence Thomas was white. It is not an inherently racist term. It does not degrade the person it is used on merely for their race. It is meant to be a criticism of one's actions from a member of the same group, be it race, religion, gender, whatever. A pro choice woman could certainly call an anti abortion woman an Uncle Tom. That it refers to a black character does not make it racist. But the point is that it criticizes a person for their actions, for their betrayal. It is not exclusive to blacks, despite the origin.

    This is just faux conservative outrage by people who have never experienced actual discrimination and don't know how to recognize it when it happens.
    I have never heard it used in any other context, but race

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    Re: Is the term "Uncle Tom" racist? [W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Actually no. What you are describing are the differences in behavior that come from one's socioeconomic background. One can be a middle or upper-class back person and not be an Uncle Tom. The main behavior of an Uncle Tom is that they adamantly are willing to sell out black people or betray the race for their own personal gains or to look better in the eyes of whites. For an example of this, all one need to do is look at the character Uncle Ruckus from the tv series The Boondocks, although they obviously aren't that extreme in real life.
    You shouldn't overlook the fact that "tom" is the upper middle class black guy, with a white wife and law degree ...

    As in, Uncle tom can be used rather freely these days and in the same context of the discussion surrounding Obama's "blackness"

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    Re: Is the term "Uncle Tom" racist? [W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think it's racist. It's a derogatory term for blacks.
    You're right in that it's derogatory, but it's usually a term that one black will make reference to another.

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    Re: Is the term "Uncle Tom" racist? [W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    You're right in that it's derogatory, but it's usually a term that one black will make reference to another.
    That still makes it racist. Just because a black person says it does not make it no longer a racist remark.

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    Re: Is the term "Uncle Tom" racist? [W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    No, it doesn't have to do with the person being black enough, but rather has to do with their actions and specifically how those actions are done for their own personal enrichment at the expense of the black community. For example, a slave who goes and tells the master that other slaves are planning to escape would be an Uncle Tom.
    I appreciate your definition - it just doesn't jibe with calling Clarence Thomas an Uncle Tom, in my view - I can't see anything that Justice Thomas has done that has enriched himself to the detriment of his race.

    That said, I don't agree with expecting people to espouse what I'll call nativistic type policy positions in order to be true to your race. I, personally, think the strongest way to respect and celebrate your own race is to be the best person you can be not just the best (enter race here) person you can be. It's part of the reason, I think, that many Americans supported President Obama, even if they didn't agree with all of his policy positions.

    If anything, one could argue that President Obama has been far more an Uncle Tom than Justice Thomas in that African Americans during Obama's Presidency have not benefitted at all and one could argue that his push for immigration reform is to the benefit of his own personal enrichment, legacy, at the direct expense of young black Americans who are the most unemployed and underemployed of any demographic in American society today.
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    Re: Is the term "Uncle Tom" racist? [W:56]

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    Racist? what do you think...

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    Re: Is the term "Uncle Tom" racist? [W:56]

    To XFactor and CanadaJohn, I am not personally arguing if Justice Thomas is or is not a Tom, only how some can argue that he is a Tom.
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    Re: Is the term "Uncle Tom" racist? [W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You're splitting hairs.
    It is not hair-splitting to distinguish between:

    (1) physical characteristics, such as racial ancestry, which a
    person does not have control over,

    and (2) mental attitude, such as an accommodating approach
    toward discrimination, which a person does have control over.


    Yes, it's an attitude... an attitude based on racial biases.
    I do not agree, but for the sake of argument let's say you are right.
    Racist motivation cannot turn a non-racist accusation into a racist
    one. A racist who is robbed at gunpoint by a Black may legitimately
    call his assailant a "low-life scumbag." Armed robbers are low-life scumbags.

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