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Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

Is the phrase "Creepy Ass Cracker" Racist?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 49 62.8%
  • No!

    Votes: 14 17.9%
  • I blame Whitey!

    Votes: 8 10.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 7 9.0%

  • Total voters
    78
One example means absolutely nothing in regards to the actual studies done that are published.

EDIT: Also, really, your source is an NYT article from almost 20 years ago about how there was a slip-up? Come on man, you can do better than that.

It wasn't a slip up. He purposely made up garbage and it got approved in a highly "respected" journal.

My point is, sociology as a whole is based on interpretation. It doesn't matter if articles are peer reviewed by other sociologists because the study as a whole is rooted in interpretation.
 
I'm an interdisciplinary ecologist, specialized in gender.


Yeah, I remember that you told me you were into a lot of ecological stuff. Have you ever research Green Anarchism?
 
I think this post does well, as an introduction:

I have to disagree. A lot of it was just silly if you ask me. There are legitimate problems in the black community. Now you can claim that is because of racism. I think it has more to do with a victim mentality.
 
Interesting, but historical things don't count. We're talking about today, modern times.

I find one of the links interesting where they talk about special education. Do you actually believe that schools just throw black children into special education classes for the hell of it? Or do you think perhaps these children really do have special needs. Perhaps because they come from a poor household with a single parent who spends much of his/her time at work and doesn't have the time to actually teach their child or help their child to overcome difficulties at school?

I've got to say that some of the things included in those links show some seriously paranoid thought processes. THAT is worrisome.

Maybe the kid comes from a single parent home where the parent is turning tricks or smoking to much crack. no seriously, it may be exactly as you say, I mean I don't know if it is happening today or not. Growing up and as a parent I never saw it. Does not mean it does not exist.
 
Ecofarm's definition comes from an academic, specifically sociological, viewpoint as something such as race is a social construction and thus in order to get a better understanding of race and how it works in the overall society, he examines it through a sociological lens. Rather than use the everyday vernacular, he aims for a specific definition of what racism is and this informs his view of what is or is not racist, something which can be applied to any and all societies. Rather than looking at the actions of the individual, Ecofarm aims to looks at the social institutions within society and how they truly work rather than what they espouse to do or people think that they do. Such a view would lead him to realize that everything that deals with race in America, from the very idea of race to what is racist/racism, are institutionally based and that these institutions back one group over the other. Thus, he differentiates between what racism is and what bigotry is, noting racism is institutionally-based and thus is in and affects the society at large, whereas bigotry is based on the micro-level.

I think that if the situation were reverse, in terms of what race dominated American society (blacks rather than whites), Ecofarm would be stating that what Trayvon said was racist.

I am not saying that I agree or disagree with Ecofarm, I am just trying to explain his reasoning behind his definition.

To Ecofarm: Please correct me if I said anything wrong, that you disagree with.

EDIT: Changed "bigoted" to "racist" for clarification.

As you say, he is describing a specific form of racism, no one is denying that. However, he is concluding that all other forms of racism aren't racism. That's provably inacurate unless he wishes to completely redefine the word to only have one specific contextual meaning. Even by his own standards, he's changed his definition multiple times throughout the thread as and when it suited him.

He's not just claiming to define what constitutes racism, he's also claiming to define what isn't racism. He's doing it wrong.
 
It wasn't a slip up. He purposely made up garbage and it got approved in a highly "respected" journal.

My point is, sociology as a whole is based on interpretation. It doesn't matter if articles are peer reviewed by other sociologists because the study as a whole is rooted in interpretation.

I meant slip up in terms of the reviewers. The reviewers slipped up.

Well, sociology is based on the study of society, not interpretation, from those studies one can begin to form sociological theory, such as feminism.
 
You're missing the big (national) picture:

Racial bigotry against whites has no affect on me.
Racial bigotry against blacks has a tremendous affect on them (and thus us).

Racial bigotry against me is not racism. There is no societal and thus institutional power for me to fear.
Racial bigotry against blacks is racism. There is societal and institutional power behind the hatred.

Liberal playbook
 
Yeah, I remember that you told me you were into a lot of ecological stuff. Have you ever research Green Anarchism?

I'll never go to the left side economically!

Diversity and freedom!

I'm no watermelon!



:D
 
Maybe the kid comes from a single parent home where the parent is turning tricks or smoking to much crack. no seriously, it may be exactly as you say, I mean I don't know if it is happening today or not. Growing up and as a parent I never saw it. Does not mean it does not exist.

Sadly, I'm sure that's the case in some instances.
 
I'll never go to the left side economically!

Diversity and freedom!

I'm no watermelon!



:D

He's trying to seduce you to come over to the dark side. :lol:
 
Sadly, I'm sure that's the case in some instances.

I know. I just felt bad making a joke about it as it is a serious problem in the inner city.
 
Interesting, but historical things don't count. We're talking about today, modern times.

I find one of the links interesting where they talk about special education. Do you actually believe that schools just throw black children into special education classes for the hell of it? Or do you think perhaps these children really do have special needs. Perhaps because they come from a poor household with a single parent who spends much of his/her time at work and doesn't have the time to actually teach their child or help their child to overcome difficulties at school?

I've got to say that some of the things included in those links show some seriously paranoid thought processes. THAT is worrisome.

The historical info was just part of a definition.

Also, did you look at the other links in actual seriousness because the last two do cite actual information of institutionalized racism.
 
He's trying to seduce you to come over to the dark side. :lol:

I can make him come over to the dark side quite easy, given my good looks. :)
 
Liberal playbook

I'm a pro-life (mild), green (market based), hawk (democratic peace theory and ecologic justice) libertarian. See my signature for the cornerstone concepts of my ideology/philosophy.

My lean is independent for a reason. I know very ****ing well what I am. I don't need some Nazi-named liberal hater telling me what they think I am - spare me.
 
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I'm a pro-life (mild), green (market based), hawk (democratic peace theory and ecologic justice) libertarian. See my signature for the cornerstone concepts of my ideology.

My lean is independent for a reason. I know very ****ing well what I am and I don't need some Nazi-named liberal hater telling me what I am.
I don't hate liberals I just disagree with their ideas, thanks for showing your love and understanding too, I appreciate you.
 
I'm a pro-life (mild), green (market based), hawk (democratic peace theory and ecologic justice) libertarian. See my signature for the cornerstone concepts of my ideology/philosophy.

My lean is independent for a reason. I know very ****ing well what I am and I don't need some Nazi-named liberal hater telling me what I am.

Godwin ftw!
 
The historical info was just part of a definition.

Also, did you look at the other links in actual seriousness because the last two do cite actual information of institutionalized racism.

I did a quick perusal. I already did a little bit of reading earlier today, and I don't want to spend the rest of my night reading too! ;) I will read them more thoroughly tomorrow though.

The special education one I don't find to be valid though. I can see where a lot of black children might have some troubles in school, not because they are black but because poverty is a big problem in a lot of black communities, and I think it's much more difficult for poor parents to spend that quality time with their children for various reasons.
 
I don't hate liberals I just disagree with their ideas, thanks for showing your love and understanding too, I appreciate you.

The quick guilt comeback!

OK I am done derailing. I have said my piece.
 
Godwin ftw!

It's not my fault.

When discussing race relations, someone having (literally) a Nazi username is kinda relevant. How am I supposed to ignore it. It's like discussing taxes and ignoring a communist lean.
 
Iam in my 50s iam white and been discriminated many times for opportunities because I was not a certain race.
But every time I turned around and walked way and sought opportunity else where.

Ever say to me that the state does not discriminate against whites, I have experienced it as well as my mother
 
It's not my fault.

When discussing race relations, someone having (literally) a Nazi username is kinda relevant. How am I supposed to ignore it. It's like discussing taxes and ignoring a communist lean.

Hey, I thought it was hilarious. Ernst was in the SS true. He however never participated in any atrocities that I know of, and I am pretty much well versed in WWII history. He was a tank commander throughout the war. He never really had the chance to get into real "nazi" trouble.
 
Creepy Ass Cracker" has never offended me personally; however, Healthy Ass Whole Wheat Cracker deeply offends me ...
 
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Racism in Schools: Unintentional But No Less Damaging
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A 3.3 isn't university material. Period. Is that really the best example they can think of? A guidance councilor straight talking a student with a 3.3 GPA into attending community college instead of a four year university?

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Examples of Institutional Racism | Educational Leadership Development Resource Library
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Overassignment into special education? He didn't give any proof that a white and a black student with the exact same capabilities had differently likelihoods to be assigned to special education. I hate to bring IQ into a racial debate, but if one group on average has a lower IQ, then that group predictably would make up a higher percentage of those in special education.

As for the example of the teachers, he didn't back this up so I can't directly criticize the methodology here. But, I wonder if there is a sort of hindsight 20/20, where the teachers who serve middle class white schools have higher achieving students, so they are seen as "better," and therefore more likely to retain their job and earn tenure.

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Institutional Racism in US Health Care
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Moral of the story: More blacks are poor, so therefore more blacks are without healthcare. Unfortunately the article gives no proof as to why that is, or how it is a result of institutional racism.

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Pretty much just treats racism as a given, but doesn't actually support the conjecture. Well you can talk about the "effects" of racism until you are blue in the face, but if you aren't actually proving that something is directly racism instead of just an indirect negative affect, you can't call it "institutional racism."
 
It's not my fault.

When discussing race relations, someone having (literally) a Nazi username is kinda relevant. How am I supposed to ignore it. It's like discussing taxes and ignoring a communist lean.
My name has nothing to do with what I say, I talk contutional issues 90% of the time, And the racism discrimination band wagon, is beyond the pOint of stupity.

Iam typing on an iPad..it sucks
 
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Hey, I thought it was hilarious. Ernst was in the SS true. He however never participated in any atrocities that I know of, and I am pretty much well versed in WWII history. He was a tank commander throughout the war. He never really had the chance to get into real "nazi" trouble.

All I know is that his tank got shot by friendly fire (supposedly on accident, as specified) and his crew got ****ed up. Then, he got it stuck in a ditch and had to destroy it. Then he walked to enemy lines and surrendered. That's one pathetic son of a bitch.
 
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