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Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

Is the phrase "Creepy Ass Cracker" Racist?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 49 62.8%

  • No!

    Votes: 14 17.9%

  • I blame Whitey!

    Votes: 8 10.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 7 9.0%
  • Total voters
    78
HumanBeing said:
In debating, dictionary definitions, credible historical definitions, or credible definitions from other third party sources are all acceptable means of attempting to define words. Unilaterally making up a new definition to suit your argument isn't generally considered a valid debate tactic by anyone, anywhere, in any context.
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Appeals to dictionary definitions are annoying because they imply that the language we speak should be prescribed by, not described in, dictionaries.

Prescriptivism is stupid.
 
ecofarm said:
Ok, I tell you what, this is a one time only offer: what the **** do you want?

You want me to prove that bigotry against blacks continues to affect the US at all levels of society?
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I want you to prove to me that it is "institutionalized".
 
instagramsci said:
Appeals to dictionary definitions are annoying because they imply that the language we speak should be prescribed by, not described in, dictionaries.

Prescriptivism is stupid.
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Words have meanings. Otherwise no one would know what anyone else was talking about. ;)
 
Caine said:
I want you to prove to me that it is "institutionalized".
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It exists at and affects all levels of society (including state institutions).

Do you deny that?
 
ChrisL said:
Words have meanings. Otherwise no one would know what anyone else was talking about. ;)
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Context clues are a thing. We learn them in elementary school.
 
instagramsci said:
Appeals to dictionary definitions are annoying because they imply that the language we speak should be prescribed by, not described in, dictionaries.

Prescriptivism is stupid.
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What is "stupid" is using the standard media accepted definition of "racist" when describing any little thing, even accidental, said by members of a certain race........ Yet when members of this OTHER race do the exact same thing..... excusing it away with "theories" and "pseudo-science"...... Every.... Single...... Time.
 
ChrisL said:
Words have meanings. Otherwise no one would know what anyone else was talking about. ;)
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You don't think racism has anything to do with oppression and privilege?
 
instagramsci said:
Appeals to dictionary definitions are annoying because they imply that the language we speak should be prescribed by, not described in, dictionaries.

Prescriptivism is stupid.
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So we should stop using dictionaries to define words during debates, and just unilaterally make up our own definitions to suit us as and when we need to? That sounds fun and productive. :roll:

Seriously, I don't even see what your point is at this stage. Are you accepting that he misused the word, but claiming that he's still right because he has a right to make up a new definition of the word? In that case, we can all be right about everything all the time, just by making our own completely irrelevant definitions for everything being said.

This is silly.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Ecofarm's arguement is that there is racist laws. Are hate crime laws racist? Please consider the context of the arguement.
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Hate crime laws are discrimination no matter which direction they fall.
 
ecofarm said:
It exists at and affects all levels of society (including state institutions).

Do you deny that?
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For the Third time....

Yes..


Now it is your job to prove it beyond just stating it.... Joe Dirt's dad.
 
Caine said:
What is "stupid" is using the standard media accepted definition of "racist" when describing any little thing, even accidental, said by members of a certain race........ Yet when members of this OTHER race do the exact same thing..... excusing it away with "theories" and "pseudo-science"...... Every.... Single...... Time.
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Aw, did your feelings get hurt when someone called you a cracker? Poor baby.

At least that word isn't used to dehumanize you like the n-word is to black people.
 
ecofarm said:
You don't think racism has anything to do with oppression and privilege?
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What? Did you quote the right post?

Did you know that white people were also slaves Eco? Slavery isn't exclusive to "minorities." These people are only "minorities" in certain countries. In other countries, white people are the minorities.
 
ecofarm said:
You don't think racism has anything to do with oppression and privilege?
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The success of it's implementation might, but the underlying idea must exist to even get to that point.
 
instagramsci said:
Aw, did your feelings get hurt when someone called you a cracker? Poor baby.

At least that word isn't used to dehumanize you like the n-word is to black people.
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No... My feeling did not get hurt from someone calling me a cracker.

And yes, the use of the term has the EXACT SAME MEANING as the use of the word nigger.
 
ChrisL said:
What? Did you quote the right post?

Did you know that white people were also slaves Eco? Slavery isn't exclusive to "minorities." These people are only "minorities" in certain countries. In other countries, white people are the minorities.
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For example, in Saddam's Iraq the minority was capable a 'religionism' (for lack of a better term in context) due to institutional power despite being a minority.

But let's keep context. In the US, only a white's words of racial bigotry carry societal implications for those derided.
 
HumanBeing said:
So we should stop using dictionaries to define words during debates, and just unilaterally make up our own definitions to suit us as and when we need to? That sounds fun and productive. :roll:
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Yes. This is exactly what I'm implying. [eyerolls into the void]

HumanBeing said:
Seriously, I don't even see what your point is at this stage. Are you accepting that he misused the word, but claiming that he's still right because he has a right to make up a new definition of the word? In that case, we can all be right about everything all the time, just by making our own completely irrelevant definitions for everything being said.



This is silly.
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No. He's arguing that the only definition of racism that matters is that which is in the dictionary.

And don't take things to their absurd extremes.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The success of it's implementation might, but the underlying idea must exist to even get to that point.
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Without getting to that point, it's common bigotry. It only becomes an ism when the state, 'the man', has got ones back.
 
ecofarm said:
Racial bigotry without oppression and privilege quite misses the point of the term racism.
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Racism is the belief that other races are inferior to yours, policies based on that and if discrimination and prejudice towards others is based on racist views. It has nothing to do with oppression , unless that oppression is based on racists beliefs itself. It has nothing to do with who is in charge.
 
Caine said:
What is "stupid" is using the standard media accepted definition of "racist" when describing any little thing, even accidental, said by members of a certain race........ Yet when members of this OTHER race do the exact same thing..... excusing it away with "theories" and "pseudo-science"...... Every.... Single...... Time.
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is there a difference in treatment between Paula Deen, and state Rep. Ryan Winkler......?
 
Caine said:
No... My feeling did not get hurt from someone calling me a cracker.

And yes, the use of the term has the EXACT SAME MEANING as the use of the word nigger.
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Are you being obtuse or are you actually this dumb?
 
ecofarm said:
In the US, only a white's words of racial bigotry carry societal implications for those derided.
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So we've gone from saying that racism requires institutional backing, to state institutional backing, and now "societal implications for those derided"? And without those it isn't racism? Are you kidding me?
 
instagramsci said:
Yes. This is exactly what I'm implying. [eyerolls into the void]



No. He's arguing that the only definition of racism that matters is that which is in the dictionary.

And don't take things to their absurd extremes.
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And I am implying that the use of the term "racist" is not defined by sociologists any more than it is defined by the dictionary per se.

The meaning of a word is defined by the society that uses it. Not "pseudo-intellectuals" who get paid to tell us how to think, but by the people who make up the society as a whole.

And, commonly in our society, the term racist is used to describe a person or group's dislike of and treatment of another person or group based completely upon their race, skin color, or ethnicity.
 
ecofarm said:
Without getting to that point, it's common bigotry. It only becomes an ism when the state, 'the man', has got ones back.
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So Obama has my back if I call you a nigger?

That is what you are saying.
 
jamesrage said:
Racism is the belief that other races are inferior to yours, policies based on that and if discrimination and prejudice towards others is based on racist views. It has nothing to do with oppression , unless that oppression is based on racists beliefs itself. It has nothing to do with who is in charge.
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Incorrect.

Racial bigotry has only to do with personal discrimination based on race. Racism has to do with a system of oppression and prejudice based on racial bigotry.
 
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